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Rhodia

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I think they get stock in periodically. Probably don’t get everything delivered all at once
I would like to highlight that SM has ALSO changed the sizing in their RTW collection. My size (16.5/36 Contemporary) is no longer available, save one single make-up (Green Poplin). I've checked every other new shirt this season.

I emailed CS early last season, and was first told that sizes sometimes trickle in late. When I followed up later in the season, however, I was told that some "not as common" sizes may not get stocked at all.

A 36 sleeve, for example, is only available this season when I select a 17" neck. This is very surprising to me. I'm only 6'1" and have never had problems with sleeves being short, even in Spier's own casual shirts (ones that do not have separate sleeve lengths). Now, however, their shirts are unavailable to me.

In your Contemporary 15, 34-36 is unavailable, but in 14.5/34 it is available. It seems they've decided to offer the shirts in what they believe (or perhaps what they have sales numbers on) as the most likely sizes.

They've reduced selection down to two sleeve lengths per neck size. In fact, as you can see on the shirt below that was just posted the other day, they've gone to a broader sizing metric -- 34/35 and 36/37. Less precise, but cheaper to produce.

 

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I would like to highlight that SM has ALSO changed the sizing in their RTW collection. My size (16.5/36 Contemporary) is no longer available, save one single make-up (Green Poplin). I've checked every other new shirt this season.

I emailed CS early last season, and was first told that sizes sometimes trickle in late. When I followed up later in the season, however, I was told that some "not as common" sizes may not get stocked at all.

A 36 sleeve, for example, is only available this season when I select a 17" neck. This is very surprising to me. I'm only 6'1" and have never had problems with sleeves being short, even in Spier's own casual shirts (ones that do not have separate sleeve lengths). Now, however, their shirts are unavailable to me.

In your Contemporary 15, 34-36 is unavailable, but in 14.5/34 it is available. It seems they've decided to offer the shirts in what they believe (or perhaps what they have sales numbers on) as the most likely sizes.

They've reduced selection down to two sleeve lengths per neck size. In fact, as you can see on the shirt below that was just posted the other day, they've gone to a broader sizing metric -- 34/35 and 36/37. Less precise, but cheaper to produce.


This really sucks.. i’ve also wondered why contemporary 15/34 oxford shirt wasn’t available for such a long time. Too bad I won’t be able to buy more shirts unless doing custom :(
 

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Anyone here owns this shirt?


How is the quality, fit, sizing? The only shirt from S&M that I've owned (a casual OCBD in a contemporary fit in my true size, M) was too slim for my liking).

A western denim shirt should have a nice regular fit without being too long so you can wear it tucked or untucked.

Any advice? Thank you
 

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I would like to highlight that SM has ALSO changed the sizing in their RTW collection. My size (16.5/36 Contemporary) is no longer available, save one single make-up (Green Poplin). I've checked every other new shirt this season.

I emailed CS early last season, and was first told that sizes sometimes trickle in late. When I followed up later in the season, however, I was told that some "not as common" sizes may not get stocked at all.

A 36 sleeve, for example, is only available this season when I select a 17" neck. This is very surprising to me. I'm only 6'1" and have never had problems with sleeves being short, even in Spier's own casual shirts (ones that do not have separate sleeve lengths). Now, however, their shirts are unavailable to me.

In your Contemporary 15, 34-36 is unavailable, but in 14.5/34 it is available. It seems they've decided to offer the shirts in what they believe (or perhaps what they have sales numbers on) as the most likely sizes.

They've reduced selection down to two sleeve lengths per neck size. In fact, as you can see on the shirt below that was just posted the other day, they've gone to a broader sizing metric -- 34/35 and 36/37. Less precise, but cheaper to produce.

Oh my god you’re right. Looking again, it doesn’t seem as bad as only 2 sleeve lengths per neck size. However the selection has definitely been reduced, mostly to the detriment of longer-armed folks.

What’s strange to me is that our sizes are available in that Green Stripe Poplin, but not in staples such as their university stripe oxfords or lightweight oxfords (which, I would think, are their best-sellers). It would make more sense to stock the less-utilized sizes in their more popular styles, no?

I wouldn’t even mind going to the 34/35 sizing metric… they already kind of do that for their sport shirts, and I find the extra half inch usually disappears in shrinkage anyway. I just don’t want to have to go custom for everything now.
 

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So it looks like their sizing chart for their new knit polos is possibly changed to make it roomer. Wonder if that changes the general recommendation to size up?
 

Rhodia

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Oh my god you’re right. Looking again, it doesn’t seem as bad as only 2 sleeve lengths per neck size. However the selection has definitely been reduced, mostly to the detriment of longer-armed folks.

What’s strange to me is that our sizes are available in that Green Stripe Poplin, but not in staples such as their university stripe oxfords or lightweight oxfords (which, I would think, are their best-sellers). It would make more sense to stock the less-utilized sizes in their more popular styles, no?

I wouldn’t even mind going to the 34/35 sizing metric… they already kind of do that for their sport shirts, and I find the extra half inch usually disappears in shrinkage anyway. I just don’t want to have to go custom for everything now.
I agree. It really doesn't make sense, especially on the staples (which is most of what they've started stocking for SS24 and what I personally have been watching out for).

SM's shirts at custom prices don't seem to me the same value as their MTO tailoring. And there is a lot of competition in the custom shirt arena.
 

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Looks like the high-rise trouser sizing is different for the newest additions, and the rise is quite a bit lower.

2024

2022-2023

EDIT: MTO form appears to indicate the old higher rise numbers with the new measurements for everything else, so wondering if maybe it's not actually changing.
 
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WaIIace

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Looks like the high-rise trouser sizing is different for the newest additions, and the rise is quite a bit lower.

2024

2022-2023

EDIT: MTO form appears to indicate the old higher rise numbers with the new measurements for everything else, so wondering if maybe it's not actually changing.
They don't even look like high-rise on the photos where the model is wearing them, weird. And no khaki color option again...
 

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Looks like the high-rise trouser sizing is different for the newest additions, and the rise is quite a bit lower.

2024

2022-2023

EDIT: MTO form appears to indicate the old higher rise numbers with the new measurements for everything else, so wondering if maybe it's not actually changing.
My size in these two tables has a 1/10 inch difference in front rise- not what I'd call a significant change.
 

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Do we have any guinea pigs who can do a side by side with the new allegedly increased back rise trousers? That's the problem for me, which renders the "high" rise (which really amounts to a mid-ish rise on my frame) mostly untenable, since getting them to sit where the front rise allows necessitates a serious, self-imposed wedgie on the back.

With a proper back rise, the current front rise would be perfectly adequate
 

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