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Update on the chinos- ironing produces some color fading, especially on seams
I am really stoked on this as they will break in really uniquely but if you want totally uniform color you have to be very cautious with the iron
I think the quality of the chinos becomes more apparent after several washes. They are a good value if you want to break in chinos yourself
That fading is the uneven press you get from ironing on a busted seam, not any actual colour lifting. They will fade over the course of many washes. They will break in like a good pair of denim.