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Hoping with all hope not to report any shrinkage.
Wearing the Italian button down collar light denim shirt today. Happy to report no shrinkage on either of the three. Would post pics but I’ve got my hands full and I’m wearing the stone converts, in which I was pictured twice last week. Lol I see a slight diff in collar roll vs. normal SM button downs. Denim fabric feels light yet substantial and pairs well with many a SM sportcoat. As a result, I’ve purchased more denim shirts. #menswear #wfh #stonecoverts #denimshirts
 

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And I should clarify. Sell them as a separate accessory! No way they should include these as a default--way too expensive and wouldn't be necessary for or appreciated by many, if not most, of S&M's customers.
If S&M offered nice Wood hangers before adding to checkout for an additional $15-$20, I’d probably buy them. I just prefer looking at a nice wood hanger in my closet as apposed to plastic or metal. Plus more expensive hangers mean having to take into account the amount to get a new hanger for a shirt 😂
 

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How do the overcoats fit? Interested, but unsure of sizing. Wear a 44L in the sportcoats, so was thinking of a 46. No longs offered, but the measurements look ok. Any insights would be appreciated.

Grabbed a bunch of shirts for a song on the BOX25 code that arrived last week and are incredible value for the money. Also grabbed a sportcoat, suit and several pairs of pants. Beyond thrilled with everything.

Looks like I'm falling down the rabbit hole again...
 

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I have a question about collars. I prefer Spier's oxford shirts to Proper Cloth's oxfords. The material feels more substantial and holds up better throughout the day. I wear the Spier classic button down collar and the Proper Cloth soft ivy collar. But I can't figure out how to get the Spier collar right.

Here's my particular problem: my Spier shirts look and fit great with a tie. But if I go tie-less and unbutton the top button, the collar still has a tendency to close. From afar, I look like a dork who has buttoned the top button without tie. By contrast, when I wear my Proper Cloth oxfords without a tie, the collar tends to stay open a bit more. I'm not sure that the collar size is too small, though, because I can comfortably stick a couple fingers in the collar.

What am I doing wrong? Should I go with the Italian collar? What about dropping the second button by an inch? And has anyone had success getting a tailor to open a new button hole?

Anything to make me look less of a poindexter!

Thanks!
 

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If S&M offered nice Wood hangers before adding to checkout for an additional $15-$20, I’d probably buy them. I just prefer looking at a nice wood hanger in my closet as apposed to plastic or metal. Plus more expensive hangers mean having to take into account the amount to get a new hanger for a shirt 😂
I'm good with the plastic hanger, as most suits are stored in S$M (New) Bags! :)
 

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I have a question about collars. I prefer Spier's oxford shirts to Proper Cloth's oxfords. The material feels more substantial and holds up better throughout the day. I wear the Spier classic button down collar and the Proper Cloth soft ivy collar. But I can't figure out how to get the Spier collar right.

Here's my particular problem: my Spier shirts look and fit great with a tie. But if I go tie-less and unbutton the top button, the collar still has a tendency to close. From afar, I look like a dork who has buttoned the top button without tie. By contrast, when I wear my Proper Cloth oxfords without a tie, the collar tends to stay open a bit more. I'm not sure that the collar size is too small, though, because I can comfortably stick a couple fingers in the collar.

What am I doing wrong? Should I go with the Italian collar? What about dropping the second button by an inch? And has anyone had success getting a tailor to open a new button hole?

Anything to make me look less of a poindexter!

Thanks!
Pictures would help in better identifying the issue and providing recommendations. One thing that has helped me with SM’s button down collars, is to try and give them a fresh ironing on the underside of the collar. This helps the roll to have more volume/presence and therefore lay open more stylishly sans tie.
 

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Wearing the Italian button down collar light denim shirt today. Happy to report no shrinkage on either of the three. Would post pics but I’ve got my hands full and I’m wearing the stone converts, in which I was pictured twice last week. Lol I see a slight diff in collar roll vs. normal SM button downs. Denim fabric feels light yet substantial and pairs well with many a SM sportcoat. As a result, I’ve purchased more denim shirts. #menswear #wfh #stonecoverts #denimshirts
Is the Italian much better in the roll department? How about a large Italian?

It is the Italian BD yes...
Do you have other Italian BD collars? They seem quite long, which is what I am after... How do you like them?

Also, the Large Italians is very rolla-licious. Do you have any of those to compare?
 

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Is the Italian much better in the roll department? How about a large Italian?



Do you have other Italian BD collars? They seem quite long, which is what I am after... How do you like them?

Also, the Large Italians is very rolla-licious. Do you have any of those to compare?
I prefer the Italian because of the longer points and resultant roll for shirts I am less likely to wear with a tie.

Not sure the difference between the Italian and the so called Large Italian you mention
 

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Burgundy Birdseye was a sleeper guys, the complexity of the weave is beautiful with blueish/purple/black yarns. The web pics didn’t do it justice but I took a gamble at the liquidation price and had a huge smile on my face when I unboxed it!

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I was tempted by that one but was not sure I could pull off the purplish color. Look forward to seeing your pairings
How do the overcoats fit? Interested, but unsure of sizing. Wear a 44L in the sportcoats, so was thinking of a 46. No longs offered, but the measurements look ok. Any insights would be appreciated.

Grabbed a bunch of shirts for a song on the BOX25 code that arrived last week and are incredible value for the money. Also grabbed a sportcoat, suit and several pairs of pants. Beyond thrilled with everything.

Looks like I'm falling down the rabbit hole again...
I am 44L and buy the 46 overcoats. 46 fits well but a 46L would give a bit more length. 46 hits me squarely on the knee. I’d like another inch or two.
 

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I am 44L and buy the 46 overcoats. 46 fits well but a 46L would give a bit more length. 46 hits me squarely on the knee. I’d like another inch or two.
Thanks -- appreciate the insights. Maybe I'll punt if they liquidate them. Shame about no long offerings, as not sure where else I would get similar quality for the money, even at current prices.
 

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Is the Italian much better in the roll department? How about a large Italian?



Do you have other Italian BD collars? They seem quite long, which is what I am after... How do you like them?

Also, the Large Italians is very rolla-licious. Do you have any of those to compare?
Take my insights with a grain of salt, as they’re based on an N of 1 re: the Italian BD collar. To my eye, it has a more curvaceous “S” than normal BDs. Both have really good rolls, it’s just easier to see the “S” silhouette from top to bottom of collar/buttoning point of the Italian. I agree the Italian looks better worn open, especially when paired with a Neo sportcoat. Would love to try a large Italian button down but would have to go MTO for that. I can say that it’s inspired me to cop more SM Italian button downs to add variety to my shirt wardrobe.
 

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