SPIER & MACKAY - Official Affiliate Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by spiermackay, Mar 14, 2014.

  1. Academic2

    Academic2 Senior member

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    Like many on SF I prefer traditional suspenders/braces for suit trousers, belts for odd jacket/trouser combinations.

    My ideal suit trousers would have DAK adjusters, suspender buttons, and no belt loops.

    Cheers,

    Ac
     


  2. CanadaCal

    CanadaCal Senior member

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    You have to think about it from your business perspective and what you feel your clients will buy.
    Your half canvas suits are 450$ Do you think a 200 or 300$ gap up to your full canvas is appropriate. I would say 200 is more cohesive in your business model. Fit quality value.

    Also make sure your guys emphasis the super 110 benefits and longevity. Lots of guys just see higher as better.

    I have to retract my earlier "you must go with an Italian known mill". You don't.

    If I was your only customer I would say Italian. But I'm not. You guys know what you can sell, choose what is best for the majority of your customers.
    If SF geeks want Italian milled stuff (which we do). Get some Italian books and offer an attractive MTO program if possible.
     


  3. Chambertin

    Chambertin Senior member

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    Just to chime in, for me, 100% on side adjusters. I don't wear belts, other than with jeans or certain casual wear. With suits, I wear suspenders or just 'nude' so I strongly prefer side adjusters for a cleaner look.

    As for the fabric, I have to say I've been waiting for S&P to offer the full canvas suits as I'm going to purchase some staple suits in the next year. Put bluntly, I'll likely end up at Suit Supply, because of the Italian fabrics. I have no experience with this Chinese fabric, but to me, I am extremely skeptical it's almost as good. I'll pay $100 extra for the premium fabric, since I'm already paying a premium for full canvassing.
     


  4. Ranjeev

    Ranjeev Senior member

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    But if you're getting canvass isn't the SS price point a lot higher than S&M? I thought the canvass suits were about $1,000, if not more, so that's a big premium. In the SS canvass price range I think there are better options in TO. Don't know about Ottawa to be honest. I only have one SS suit that I got on-line from the outlet. Great fit, design, loved it, but did not hold up. Not all fabrics from the same mill are of the same quality obvious. I agree that most people, including me, will defer to a well-known mill between 2 mills.

    Rick, I would consider adding more fabrics to the custom suit options. Btw, I'll be on Wednesday to get measured up.
     


  5. losrockets

    losrockets Senior member

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    I just don't buy this idea that an Asian milled fabric may not be a premium fabric. Maybe it's just the industry I'm coming from but I don't buy into the "Well this is how it's been done so we should stick with it" mentality, and I don't like the immediately negative perceptions toward Asian manufacturing as we're not talking about Old Navy or Banana Republic, so I trust Spier to choose an appropriate fabric and I'll buy regardless of the decision. At >$500 though I will have to start considering Benjamin (eHaberdasher) as well.

    I'm in favor of side tabs + suspender buttons.
     


  6. Vasco

    Vasco Well-Known Member

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    No it's not a lot higher. $750 usd is just over $1000 cad with credit card fees. That certainly put things in perspective from a pricing stand point. If I were to pay that much, I would go with the Italian fabric as it would be in direct competition with La Spalla.
     
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  7. Ebichuman

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    I think the 750 was full canvas in Italian fabric cost in Canadian dollars so it would be cheaper than SuSu.

    I wanted to bring up a different angle: whether full or half canvas makes a difference to Rick's client base. I would prefer half canvas and better fabric over full canvas and mediocre fabric for one.

    On a related note: I am not in the market for suits as I have a few decent staples and mostly wear odd jackets these days so if there is a RTW or MTM option with good fabrics (whatever their provenance), count on me.
     


  8. fieldofdreams

    fieldofdreams Senior member

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    I'll speak for myself. It would be very hard, if not impossible, for me to pass up on a $560 full canvas suit with side tabs and an Italian fabric. It looks to be pretty split on here though.

    If 80% of your customers are Canadian, you could always poll the in store customers.
     


  9. linds_15

    linds_15 Senior member

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    what were the fabric suppliers for the model 1 and model 2 suits? how much better would the asian and/or italian suppliers be than the current line?
     


  10. losrockets

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    @Ebichuman I misspoke. Not Reda, not sure who does the Model 2 fabrics. Their sample full canvas was made by Reda. My bad.

    Also, when Kulata puts it below as $60 more for an italian mill, I'm starting to change my tune...
     
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  11. Ebichuman

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    ^^ Reda, are you sure? I thought they were no name brands for all of OTR from Rick.

    @losrockets
     


  12. 02///M3

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    That makes sense. You obviously have an infinitely better appreciation for the economics of all this, particularly as it relates to your customer base in Canada. At the end of the day, I have no doubt you guys will put out an excellent product and it's great that you've been seeking out your customer's opinions throughout the process.

    All that said, I'm still crossing my fingers that you settle on side tabs and Italian fabrics!
     


  13. kulata

    kulata Senior member

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    Don't skimp on the provenance of the fabric. A lot of people hear Asian and immediately tune out, so that additional $60 USD isn't enough to justify switching to Asian fabrics IMO.

    Also, belt loops, just because that is the standard and pretty much most of your non-SF customers won't be accustomed to size asjusters. You have a business to run so stick with what works universally
     
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  14. Vasco

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    My apologies on the pricing. $750 in CAD sounds really competitive.
     


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    I also agree. Belt loops are much more universal.
     


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