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Man-of-Mystery · May 5, 2011

Spare us!!!!

Mercy!!!!

Alex Roest · May 5, 2011

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

Spare us!!!!

Mercy!!!!

No, no.... I prefer to let you suffer

bunty · May 5, 2011

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

Leicester, fine... but what planet was he visiting when he wrote the above?

Skaro

Man-of-Mystery · May 5, 2011

Originally Posted by bunty

Skaro

Pre-1969 skinhead winter outfit.

bunty · May 5, 2011

Alex Roest · May 5, 2011

Jim Ferguson wrote:

'68 - jeans either simply rolled up or cut off at required above-boot height - though they were worn instep length by some.
Rolled up army trousers ('greens') were a Phase 1 skinhead accoutrement and sometimes baggy old man's trousers (to match baggy old man's shirts).
At the start - '68, '69 any shirt that was not 'fashion' was worn - old men's collarless & collared baggy-bodied styles, t-shirts etc. Some early skinheads went awry & wore tie-dyed grandad vests.
'68/'69 boots with concealed steel toecaps were often purposely worn to expose the metal. Steel caps often polished or painted white (some bought white anyway).

This will do for now I think...

Man-of-Mystery · May 5, 2011

Originally Posted by Alex Roest

Jim Ferguson wrote:

...sometimes baggy old man's trousers (to match baggy old man's shirts).
At the start - '68, '69 any shirt that was not 'fashion' was worn - old men's collarless & collared baggy-bodied styles, t-shirts etc.

Again, not on my world. Seems the antithesis of sharp.

Originally Posted by Alex Roest

Some early skinheads went awry & wore tie-dyed grandad vests.

I saw one bloke, once, on Bromley High Street, in 1968.

Originally Posted by Alex Roest

... Steel caps often ... painted white (some bought white anyway).

To quote Ronald Reagan, "There he goes again..."

Alex Roest · May 5, 2011

marginal note read "Original British Army Greatcoat. Ideal for re-enactment".

Alex Roest · May 5, 2011

Jim Ferguson wrote:

The skinhead's immediate predecessor was short haired & neat. He wore suits to dance halls. In 1968 suits were with flares and turn ups & often worn with a v-neck pullover & no shirt, light weight Italian slip-ons. On the street he wore Levis with turn ups, surfer jackets, Adidas trainers. he'd branched out of mod and his look and outlook had changed little for years.
...all-over short hair of 1/2" or less started in about '64 & was a conservative-suit-mod staple until '68 when it went even shorter. Lots of the slicker, more citified proles' sons had this extremely short hair by '68 after having had long hair. The latest thing. Others (conservative-mod-element) had short hair anyway and now had it just a tad shorter - the new mood suited them. And the younger kids who wanted to be ultra-mod exaggerated the look. Shave the head.
When skinhead was established, a lot of these mod conservatives (mod cons) looked down on skinheads who would today be classed as skinhead themselves - but distinctions were finer then. A lot of these same people would become suedeheads though - but it was more a case of two styles merging. But of course some of these same kind did become skinheads - frequently the most fastidious dressers.

Man-of-Mystery · May 5, 2011

from http://forthesuits.wordpress.com/

Regardless of what was written by Jim Ferguson in the fashion notebook featured in Nick Knight's "Skinhead", the Crombie was always a skinhead coat. I'm not bringing it up to be malicious, there is just too much information (and photographic evidence at that) for the claim to be believable.

Lasttye · May 5, 2011

Regarding Crombie's I got mine made in 69, just after my suit, At this time you could not buy them off the peg, unless you bought a real one, which i never saw. later in 70 you could buy cheap ones down the market etc.
Also wearing Crombies with long hair , this is correct only because it was a warm coat and was still being worn in 71/72 at Football.

Man-of-Mystery · May 5, 2011

Originally Posted by Lasttye

Regarding Crombie's I got mine made in 69, just after my suit, At this time you could not buy them off the peg, unless you bought a real one, which i never saw. later in 70 you could buy cheap ones down the market etc.
Also wearing Crombies with long hair , this is correct only because it was a warm coat and was still being worn in 71/72 at Football.

I bought mine off the peg in 1969. I was still wearing it to go to work in the 1970s because - yes - it was a warm coat.

Alex Roest · May 5, 2011

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

Regardless of what was written by Jim Ferguson in the fashion notebook featured in Nick Knight's "Skinhead", the Crombie was always a skinhead coat. I'm not bringing it up to be malicious, there is just too much information (and photographic evidence at that) for the claim to be believable.

Very good to disprove certain myths on here I'd say...

Get Smart · May 5, 2011

this is the first time the question really popped up to me, but WHO was Jim Ferguson? other than the guy that wrote the fashion part of Nick Knight's book. what was his "pedigree" to write as such an authority on the subject?

Man-of-Mystery · May 5, 2011

Originally Posted by Get Smart

this is the first time the question really popped up to me, but WHO was Jim Ferguson? other than the guy that wrote the fashion part of Nick Knight's book. what was his "pedigree" to write as such an authority on the subject?

Jason, that question has recently been circulating privately. So far without an answer. So you're not alone in wondering.

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