The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. HEPennypacker

    HEPennypacker Senior member

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    I like both GO and ALS, and I don't think anyone is arguing that GO is illegitimate. The question is whether the PML and Lange 1 serve difference purposes. If you have both a Lange 1 and a PML, would you wear both? They have similar aesthetics and having both seems redundant IMO. Thus, given an expressed preference for a Lange 1, the wiser course seems to be to skip the PML and put the money toward a Lange 1.
     


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    I personally think that Lange has a certain restraint in its designs that I don't find in GO maybe because of its logo. That said, a couple of GOs from 2-3 years back were very very nice and I would have bought one of those had it been available in SS.
     


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    Sinn's pilot's line and pilots watches in general look just about perfect on a NATO/NATO style strap. I prefer the slightly thicker Zulu straps but your above image sure makes a strong case for the original NATO. I always cringe when I hear folks say NATO straps look cheap. They may not be ideal with a suit but that's not the idea either. Kinda like a Mil-Sub...a tool watch looks great with a utilitarian strap.

    It's such a perfect image! Well done.
     
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    Those IWCs are awesome. Now I totally want to find this:
     
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    The current base Lange 1 models are certainly restrained, but go further into conservative and austere territory IMO. Don't see myself wearing gold on silver until I'm at least 50, and would not consider silver on silver under any circumstances. Reminds me too much of my first watch, a Tag Heuer. Can't get on board with most JLC masters for the same reason.
     


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    The only leather NATO I like - Gunny:


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    this. though i don't feel as harshly toward the Pano Lunar. In fact I like it a lot, though thought it was thick and the bezel too thin. a bit industrial feeling to me. Tried on the MUT moon and thought it really sang in pink gold. 5513 or even one of the last-gen no dates next. Actually this is very similar to the decision-making process I've been going through. Though the RO has thrown it a bit out of whack. as does the sudden urge (speaking of guns) for an AyA no. 2.
     


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    Yeah I would definitely jump on the original Portofino moonphase for the right price.
     
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    :inlove: Nice 1655... despite its visual impairment! ;)
     


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    Seriously? Ridiculous! Congrats. Great pickup!

     


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    Exactly — you don't wear a military-derived watch at a black-tie event, and you don't wear a Calatrava for heli-skiing. It's easy enough to confuse "inexpensive" with "cheap", but good design is good design. Horses for courses, right?
     


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    You seem like a good guy, and if you own a Pano hopefully you enjoy it. GO makes a very good quality watch and I would consider owning some form of Senator or a watch that doesn't look like a tribute to the Lange 1. I don't own a Lange 1 or a GO, so I have no axe to grind.

    IMHO the Lange 1 was a ground breaking design and the Pano wasn't. Its not a copy, but come on, you can clearly see where they got the idea for the dial design. In addtion, I've met people that said with a Pano they got Lange 1 styling at a significantly reduced price...so doesn't that indirectly say that even some Pano buyers are choosing it, because in your own words its a ,"Poor man's Lange." I don't think anyone questions the teutonic roots of the GO, but for me and several other watch collectors the Pano just feels like a watch that pays tribute to the Lange 1. It lacking originality or that something special that makes it stand out on its own without being compared to a Lange 1.

    Your BMW/Bentley comparison in respect to a Lange 1/Pano seems rather weak, as neither BMW nor Bentley makes a product that attemtps to look like the other. As a side issue I don't know if you randomly chose the 2 to compare or if you were using them because you thought BMW owns Bentley, they don't. BMW owns Rolls Royce, its Volkswagen that owns Bentley.

    When you say, GO has its own DNA...and has evolved into its own aesthetic...that applies more to the Senators than the Panos. I never compare the Senator Chronometer to a Richard Lange or Saxonia. Now in case you think I'm a fan of Lange and a hater of GO...I think GO does a better job of making other lines outside of the Pano that are very attractive...while I find the Lange 1 is really the only watch thats really enticing from Lange. I find most other round Lange's a bit boring...so maybe on some level Lange is a bit of a one trick pony.

    If someone loves a Pano and is getting it because they love it (not because they see it as a cheaper alternative to a Lange 1) then by all means they should get it. If their reason for buying it is because its cheaper and gives them a sort of Lange 1 look, then perhaps they shouldn't buy it. Maybe some people are easily satisfied with by their second or third choice. However, if I bought one watch as a less expensive substitute for what I really wanted, it would never satisfy me and I would still be thinking about the watch I truly wanted. Life is too short to settle for substitutes.
     


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    Handsome choice...and the original is a very cool watch too! Congrats and enjoy!
     


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    My life is too short not to settle. As long as money is an issue I think it might be wise to settle. The same with most things otherwise you'd never be happy.
     
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    I have to agree with gdl here wholeheartedly. While I see the similarities, I feel the Lange doesn't automatically make the PML irrelevant. The Lange is leagues more expensive , and so if one can't afford the Lange 1, should they just forget about PML completely?

    These two models are in different price brackets, and while the PML is certainly no slouch, the ALS is going to be unattainable for most of the even WIS-afflicted.

    I personally think that the PML is awesome. And I also think that the Lange 1 is amazing, and I can definitely see the appeal of both. By the way, I'm not saying the GO is a 'poor man's Lange' either. There are many similarities, but enough differences in styling that I think would make their owners extremely happy



     
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