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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. Newcomer

    Newcomer Distinguished Member

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    I have enjoyed the discourse so far :). I am certainly leaning more towards the MUT Moon at this juncture, but I would like to see a PML in the flesh before I make any rash decisions. The way I look at it, the MUT Moon is just about the perfect watch of its type. I really cannot think of a comparator that I would prefer to it. Whereas with the PML and Lange, I guess there is a comparator, the Lange 1 Moonphase. But then, you are looking at a watch that retails for under $10,000, and another that retails for under $40,000. That is a CONSIDERABLE difference, and at the $40,000 price point, I may want to choose a Patek Perpetual Calendar. Heck, Lange may not even be around, or they may not make that model anymore. There are a lot of ifs.

    Personally, I love the PML. However, I wish I could merge the last generation and the current generation together. Personally, I actually prefer the case of the previous version and the size / bezel size, whereas I prefer the dial on the newer version. I have not seen a wristshot that I found attractive of the new version. This is really the only thing that is holding be back from it. Cyclon's pictures of the PML really made it look different than I imagined, and we have similar sized wrists. In contrast, I love how GDL's looks on his.

    I figured that this question would cause a discussion. They are great moonphases at a very similar price, and from two amazing brands. The JLC has a timeless quality to it though that really makes it a sensible choice. I worry a bit about its versatility, but would IMMEDIATELY purchase some brown, and maybe a navy strap.

    Thanks for the words so far, everyone.
     


  2. in stitches

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    looks great.


    love the GO. geep the JLC MC and get the GO. :devil:


    amazing. thanks for the pics.


    agree with this. while i do think there are certainly design similarities, i still agree with the above.
     


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    With somethings yes, with some things no. Maybe a $10 million dollar home would be great, but thats not realistic at least not for me. As for some items, I can't settle, it would be a waste of time and money. I have a buddy that spends a good amount on watches, he often buys a good watch not wanting to spend more than a self imposed amount even though he could afford more (which is fine). But he does it even when he sees one that he truly wants which is maybe a few thousand more. Then he truly lusts for the other model. After a year or two he sells/trades the watch he bought, then buys the one he really wanted. However, by that point in time, he is dealing with the depreciation of the watch he bought and any subsequent price increases on the model he truly wanted. So in the end he has the watch he truly wanted, but it has cost him significantly more than if he just bought it to start. To me, thats not a great way to do things either.
    Everyone is different as are their tastes. For me, I just would not be happy with a PML, even if a Lange 1 Moonphase is well beyond my reach. I just find the PML design not original enough. While its very good quality I just view it as a tribute watch, and that detracts from it for me. If I were going to buy a GO, it would be from the Senator line. I would choose something that is distinctly GO, rather than something that mimics a different brand. However, I am sure there are lots of people that are happy with their PMLs and thats great for them.
    Glad you are enjoying. I never mind being the devil's advocate. I do see the significant difference in price if one compares the steel to the gold version. I didn't realize you were considering the steel Pano. The difference between a gold Pano and gold Lange 1 is about $15,000 which isn't chump change, but still not as drastic as roughly $10K v. $38K. I love the Lange 1 moonphase especially in platinum, but for now unless I liquidated a bunch of watches that I really love, its beyond my reach. Still the price issue doesn't make a PML more attractive to me. There are other watches from other brands that I would rather own which IMHO do not suffer from looking like a tribut watch. I like things that are distinct and have their own identity and for me that is lacking in a PML, hence if a GO were on my radar it would be some form of Senator. In general I prefer JLCs to GOs anyway.

    Even though PMLs aren't my thing, I look forward to seeing your decision making process and wish you luck and lots of fun with the research and shopping!
     


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    this is interesting. i guess i just dont see the PML to be a "tribute." its nice that you have not written off GO entirely, just the lines that you dont like. thats cool.
     


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    +1, nothing wrong with experimenting but recognize it's pretty extravagant to spend thousands on stopgap watch rentals (buying a watch with the intention of flipping it later), whereas if you have a realistic idea of what your ultimate/ideal collection will look like, it makes sense to put your watch funds toward those items sooner rather than later.
     


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    I love this watch but its just TOO fucking big! 46mm is massive even in today's jumbo watch world. I really wish IWC would redo it with a 40 or 42mm case. So damn sexy. Its got everything on my watch wish list - roman numerals, moon phase, sub second, and even those little circle thingies on the hands.
     
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    Am in negotiations with a well known and reputable seller on a different forum to buy a vintage chronograph from a maker best known for their ebauches.

    The listing has pretty poor photos - for example it's actually difficult to tell brushed vs polished on the lugs, and photos are smallish (approx 800p)

    I've asked for some additional details - but I'm getting a distinct pushback vibe from the seller...

    Guys, it's not unreasonable to ask for movement and inside caseback photos right? :fu:
     


  8. gdl203

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    No it's not unreasonable.

    That said, things that can be annoying for a seller include: (a) multiple successive requests, as if whenever something is provided the potential buyer comes up with something else he needs, (b) detailed requests that are out of proportion with the value of the watch, e.g. 10 back-and-forth emails and hi-res pictures for a $300 vintage chrono. People's time has value too.

    Not saying that's anything you did, but wanted to add a bit of nuance to the simple answer that asking questions is OK.
     
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    We've exchanged only 2 PMs so far in total, it's >$3000, and I've already been declined better photos because "that's the only camera I have" or words to that effect.

    I would walk away usually, but this particular model is one that I've been hunting for a bit... :fu:
     
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    ugh... some people are just not good at selling their stuff.
     


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    Thought I'd weigh in on the ongoing Newcomer debate, since well yknow...

    1. I feel as if getting the vintage rolex would be a waste. Why? Because you already have the speedy pro. And a vintage sub would be kinda redundant. That's not to say that you shouldn't get it at some point, but swapping out the MC for another sports watch at this point in time doesnt make sense.

    2. The MUT Moon is amazing, if cold. As you know, I was kinda "over it" for awhile. I think that stems from the fact that it can be a pain to reset the date/moonphase. So my piece of advice is to get a winder, and a hell yes to the other straps.

    3. Try the GO on. This is a must. I may be in the minority on this one, but I prefer the GO to the Lange (and dont see them as related watches either), but like you said I wish there was a merger of previous case/bezel size, and the dial of the contemporary one. If I could choose one Lange itd be the worldtimer, BUT if I chose a worldtimer itd be the PP not the Lange.

    4. Tangential but related. I love the IWC portofino moonphase but alas its just too big for my wrists.
     
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  12. in stitches

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    i believe those are called breguet hands. one of his many still implemented designs.
     


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    This brand has been on my radar for a while! I like the U1, but a little too heavy for my puny wrist! I heard from a buddy that this brand's designer came from IWC; the other one on my radar, what a coincidence!
     


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    Very nice! Whats the size of the pocket watch? I hav'nt seen one w/moon phase in years[​IMG]
     


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    Something random I came across on the interwebz - was it you gdl who said you enjoyed Nespresso?

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    Yes, that dial is made from a flattened Nespresso capsule.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kT0E4o51O.../s1600/Blancier+Grand+Cru+Nespresso+watch.jpg

    On a completely unrelated note - has anyone seen the Reverso 1931 Rouge IRL? What did you think of it compared with the regular black dial? Is it a darker red or a brighter red?
     
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