SPIER & MACKAY - Official Affiliate Thread

[exfalso]

+1. And anyone complaining the Neapolitan jackets are too tight in the waist (assuming you bought the correct size which fits your chest and shoulders) probably needs to lose some belly fat. Hate to say it, but I'm just being brutally honest.

Well let's not go that far -- everyone's physique is different.

I am rather curious, though, because I didn't notice much, if any, difference between Neapolitan and non-Neapolitan jackets. It could be because I take them in anyways, but I'd assume they shouldn't be off spec.

 

[Spaghettimatt]

I mean. It isn’t that weird to be surprised/a little annoyed that two different “42 contemporary” jackets have radically different measurements without any notice on the website.

S&M has many wonderful things going for it, I spend a good deal of money with them and am a big fan. They also could have done a lot better explaining the sizing on this model. Sure I can go to a tailor, but (shocking!) that costs a lot of money. I’d rather have the option to just buy a jacket that fits, and they didn’t do a very good job of communicating about what the measurements are. The sizing chart is the same for all 42 contemporary jackets. It’s lyin’ as to either the tux jacket or the Neapolitan suit jacket.

What? Who said radically different? The complaint was about a difference in waist suppression. Do both the tux and the Neapolitan fit you through chest and shoulders? If so, you ordered the right size in both and that is not a radical difference. If not, and you actually take different sizes in the two models, I stand corrected.

Taking your new jacket to the tailor is just the nature of buying something RTW or off the rack; if you don't have to then you're lucky. And companies have different models that fit differently (see, e.g., Eidos Ciro v. Tenero). If you don't want to do it... I don't know what to tell you; go MTM maybe.

 

[Patrick R]

I mean. It isn’t that weird to be surprised/a little annoyed that two different “42 contemporary” jackets have radically different measurements without any notice on the website.

I only have two S&M jackets, but they are both 42L contemporary and one is Neopolitan and the other is not. Both are unaltered in the waist. They appear to be pretty similar to me:

Based on my experience, I would be surprised to get a 42L that fit much different.

 

[lh0628]

@spiermackay Rick can you please check order #100002208, I made the order Sunday and still haven't gotten anything yet.

Thanks.

 

[varsityreds0123]

I’d rather have the option to just buy a jacket that fits, and they didn’t do a very good job of communicating about what the measurements are. The sizing chart is the same for all 42 contemporary jackets. It’s lyin’ as to either the tux jacket or the Neapolitan suit jacket.

You'd like to have a RTW jacket that fits without alteration? Yeah, and I'd like a bespoke suit that doesn't break my bank. If you're going to expect anything more than a reasonably well fitting jacket that is RTW, you're going to have a helluva time finding a product that meets those expectations.

 

[RickyTakhar]

I don't follow. That's forum member @Alan Bee

Is this an example of a F/W Navy flannel that you would like made?

Just a look that I admire.And now that you mention it, it would be a good addition to the F/W line

 

[mossrockss]

View attachment 910908 Got married in the midnight navy tuxedo. Thank you @spiermackay for a speedy pants exchange and for making a killer tux!

Congratulations my man!

 

[jdp234]

Are they really "radically different"? That wasn't my experience at all, but then I end up taking the waist in regardless of which jacket I purchase from S&M. How off are they really?

+1. And anyone complaining the Neapolitan jackets are too tight in the waist (assuming you bought the correct size which fits your chest and shoulders) probably needs to lose some belly fat. Hate to say it, but I'm just being brutally honest.

Thanks for the tip bud.

What? Who said radically different? The complaint was about a difference in waist suppression. Do both the tux and the Neapolitan fit you through chest and shoulders? If so, you ordered the right size in both and that is not a radical difference. If not, and you actually take different sizes in the two models, I stand corrected.

Taking your new jacket to the tailor is just the nature of buying something RTW or off the rack; if you don't have to then you're lucky. And companies have different models that fit differently (see, e.g., Eidos Ciro v. Tenero). If you don't want to do it... I don't know what to tell you; go MTM maybe.

Look: the 42contemporary tux jacket i received and the 42contemporary Neapolitan jacket I received have significantly different measurements around the waist. Could be the tux jacket is the odd one out relative to the rest of their products, I don’t know. I have no reason to suggest the Neapolitan and non- *suit* jackets arent the same in the waist.

My frustration is that there was not any communication on the website that I should expect the two to be noticeably different. They both point to the same size chart on the website (that has identical waist measurements) and there isn’t anything in the descriptions that suggests different waist suppression. I’m well aware that alterations are part of buying otr, if my alterationist had a frequent flyer program I’d have lounge access by now. However it is annoying to budget a suit at $X inclusive of planned alterations and then learn that because of model variation that isn’t described anywhere, that figure is off by >10%. I would appreciate it if the website communicated model sizing differences so that customers could make accurate buying decisions.

That’s all I’m going to say on the subject to avoid cluttering the thread.

EDIT to add that this isn't going to significantly change my appreciation for the brand, or deter me from recommending it to friends as a better alternative in the SuitSupply/TM Lewin bracket. Just a point where they could improve communication.

 

[Betelgeuse]

And Conrad Wu tie.

Yeap. It's a great tie. I really feel bad because of the $USD/MXN being so high... now everything costs a lot more for us. And every time I enter to Conrad Wu site, I like 5 o 6 ties... $500 USD on ties... now that is quite a lot for us $10,000 pesos when they used to be $5,000 pesos.

 

[marker2037]

I only have two S&M jackets, but they are both 42L contemporary and one is Neopolitan and the other is not. Both are unaltered in the waist. They appear to be pretty similar to me:

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Based on my experience, I would be surprised to get a 42L that fit much different.

They literally appear to fit identical lol. Looks great! I have both outfits as well (new lovat for the moleskin) awaiting me in NJ.

 

[Patrick R]

I have no reason to suggest the Neapolitan and non- *suit* jackets arent the same in the waist.

To be clear, my post supports your point. I have two different cuts in the same size and they fit nearly identically. Like you, I would be shocked (and annoyed) if I bought the tux and the waist was a totally different measurement and the site didn’t give me the correct fit information.

 

[ryewo[i dmfsOZI490w]

I don't really understand how so many people are ******** on this guy (he should lose belly fat?) because he bought two suits that are the same size and have different measurements. Only he knows what they measure, and everyone else can only speculate. Sure it's anecdotal, but it's his anecdote, and nothing anyone else says can change the fact.

Rick is probably just going to ask him to send photos of the measurements, and that's a lot better response than the white knighting going on here. He probably should have posted measurements too, but if I were him I wouldn't have been expecting this kinda response either.

Sheesh.

 

[jamie411]

I don't really understand how so many people are ******** on this guy (he should lose belly fat?) because he bought two suits that are the same size and have different measurements. Only he knows what they measure, and everyone else can only speculate. Sure it's anecdotal, but it's his anecdote, and nothing anyone else says can change the fact.

Rick is probably just going to ask him to send photos of the measurements, and that's a lot better response than the white knighting going on here. He probably should have posted measurements too, but if I were him I wouldn't have been expecting this kinda response either.

Sheesh.

Hear! Hear! Let's drop this discussion and move on to other things people care about - like apparently denim shirts, wrinkle-free shirts, and expanding shirt cuffs (I kid, I kid - friggin' let it go!).

There was a suggestion earlier for a picture of the incoming brown fresco preorder - I'd really like to see that! - as well as other items S&M has in the pipeline for SS18. I'm hoping for some interesting cotton and lightweight wool dress trousers.

 

[CBrown85]

+1. And anyone complaining the Neapolitan jackets are too tight in the waist (assuming you bought the correct size which fits your chest and shoulders) probably needs to lose some belly fat. Hate to say it, but I'm just being brutally honest.

I could probably stand to lose a little bit, but it's not like I'm a big guy... my jackets from Eidos in a smaller size are more forgiving. Apples to oranges, maybe.

 

[othertravel]

Classic Navy Flannel Blazer

To clarify, is the blazer from Spier?

And what's the price range for a MTM sport coat? I'd like to get something similar to above.