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[Bela Kun]

Just found this pic of JFK with button-down collar and tie.

 

[Botolph]

Just found this pic of JFK with button-down collar and tie.

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JFK always wore the Ivy League look until a certain point— I believe that being when he was running for president—when he eschewed the buttondown collars and sack coats for a more “universal”(generic) look to appeal to everyone. I think one of his brothers or advisors encouraged this.

 

[Botolph]

Out of curiosity, what collar styles do you wear with a tie? 'You' as in you personally.

I like ties, but I pretty much only have button-down shirts atm, and I have this idea that a tie with a button-down collar is 'American', but not in a good way.

Button-down shirts were made to be worn with ties in a casual manner: under sport jackets, blazers, sweaters/jumpers, safari jackets?. They were a sport shirt from the get-go.
That being said, 95% of the time I’ll wear a button-down shirt open without a tie.

 

[Thin White Duke]

JFK always wore the Ivy League look until a certain point— I believe that being when he was running for president—when he eschewed the buttondown collars and sack coats for a more “universal”(generic) look to appeal to everyone. I think one of his brothers or advisors encouraged this.

It’s interesting how JFK is now regarded as an icon f style as he was a bit of a schlub particularly in his youth. It was his missus who encouraged him to polish up his act, which may have coincided around the time he got into politics but there’s a fairly clear distinction between his rumpled sacks then his sharper conservative style. Away from the office he favoured comfortable threads hence the many pics of him in polo and chinos wearing shades on the yacht etc.

A bunch of us wore Ben Sherman type shirts with suits and ties during the revival period but we were largely sheep back then trying to conform to a look rather than show an interest in edging up to the boundaries and beyond. I think outside of that period BD plus tie is accepted as a much more American look. See Cary Grant in ‘The Bishop’s Wife’ - sack suit, BD and tie.

 

[Yorky]

Been rummaging around in the loft and found some photo albums that I haven't looked at for 20 years or so. They span across from me aged 16 up to my mid 20s. Just a few that I've chosen.

Me and school mates aged 16, note me in cycling shoes and other mate in bowlers, circa 1982.

Me and best mate aged 17 and my 1st scooter, circa 1983.

Circa 1984

My 2nd scooter under going work hence the lack of panels, and me in jacket from demob in London same as one worn by Weller in Shout to the top video, circa 1985.

At Mod rally down South circa 1989.

Mod rally circa 1990, plenty of blue mohair on show.

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Mod rallies circa 1990

Circa 1991

Me with crop and braces circa1988.

My last scooter after restoration.

 

[Botolph]

It’s interesting how JFK is now regarded as an icon f style as he was a bit of a schlub particularly in his youth. It was his missus who encouraged him to polish up his act, which may have coincided around the time he got into politics but there’s a fairly clear distinction between his rumpled sacks then his sharper conservative style. Away from the office he favoured comfortable threads hence the many pics of him in polo and chinos wearing shades on the yacht etc.

A bunch of us wore Ben Sherman type shirts with suits and ties during the revival period but we were largely sheep back then trying to conform to a look rather than show an interest in edging up to the boundaries and beyond. I think outside of that period BD plus tie is accepted as a much more American look. See Cary Grant in ‘The Bishop’s Wife’ - sack suit, BD and tie.

@thinwhiteduke Yeah but people have been breaking sartorial “rules” forever. For instance there’s a photo of (If I remember correctly) Tony Bennet wearing a button-down with a tuxedo. Also possibly the same fellow wearing cufflinks with a button-down shirt. As we’ve seen in this thread over the years, just because there are photos in evidence doesn’t mean it was a regular practice.

 

[DonkeyJacket1]

Been rummaging around in the loft and found some photo albums that I haven't looked at for 20 years or so. They span across from me aged 16 up to my mid 20s. Just a few that I've chosen. View attachment 1209110
Me and school mates aged 16, note me in cycling shoes and other mate in bowlers, circa 1982. View attachment 1209112 View attachment 1209111 View attachment 1209113
Me and best mate aged 17 and my 1st scooter, circa 1983. View attachment 1209115 View attachment 1209114
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My 2nd scooter under going work hence the lack of panels, and me in jacket from demob in London same as one worn by Weller in Shout to the top video, circa 1985.
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At Mod rally down South circa 1989.
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Mod rally circa 1990, plenty of blue mohair on show.
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Mod rallies circa 1990 View attachment 1209129
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Me with crop and braces circa1988. View attachment 1209133
My last scooter after restoration.

Great pics

No offence to anyone here, but sticking to the ''rules'' 100 percent all the time is boring.

 

[Inkss]

 

[Botolph]

Great pics

No offence to anyone here, but sticking to the ''rules'' 100 percent all the time is boring.

However, KNOWING the rules and how you might be bending them is better than ignoring them and looking like a tit.

 

[Thin White Duke]

His whole “rules” business is kinda boring to me. We’re all bound by conventions to some extent or else we’d leave the house in flippers and a kilt. On any one day I could be wearing an outfit that is right in the middle of the canonical look and on another just very vaguely compliant.

However, KNOWING the rules and how you might be bending them is better than ignoring them and looking like a tit.

Thanks for this, that just summarises nicely what I’m on about! Let’s move it along now eh?

 

[The Saint]

His whole “rules” business is kinda boring to me. We’re all bound by conventions to some extent or else we’d leave the house in flippers and a kilt. On any one day I could be wearing an outfit that is right in the middle of the canonical look and on another just very vaguely compliant.

I don't see what your problem is with kilt and flippers, they are very popular around my way and no one would dream of going to a porridge supper, wearing anything else . Obviously, a tie would be worn as well with an appropriate Jacobite style , button down collar , Ghillie shirt. .

 

[Newton heath]

I don't see what your problem is with kilt and flippers, they are very popular around my way and no one would dream of going to a porridge supper, wearing anything else . Obviously, a tie would be worn as well with an appropriate Jacobite style , button down collar , .

Obviously claymore optional

 

[The Saint]

Obviously claymore optional

Obviously , it depends entirely on which part of the country you are in . .Sometimes the rozzers are non too impressed with the whole Claymore thing , indeed l'd be lying if I told you that they are all happy with the carrying of the Skean Dubh , I mean laces are one thing but l must concede that l can see their point about a dagger down yer sock. .

 

[Botolph]

Obviously claymore optional

Bedazzled sgian-dubh is mandatory though.

*EDIT* whoops, @The Saint covered it, haha

 

[Man-of-Mystery]

Diving helmet.