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◆ The JIL SANDER & RAF SIMONS shopper thread ◆

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by _yoo, Dec 29, 2011.

  1. _yoo

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    A thread for the JIL & RAF shopper (clothing and footwear inclusive, but please post sneaker sizing inquiries here)

    Let's focus on aggregating useful / interesting information (present or historical) about the brands, e.g.
    • stockists, new arrivals, sizing, good deals
    • runway/magazine shots, new and old
    • media coverage, designer interviews, critics' reviews
    • pr0n/reviews of particular items of clothing/non-sneaker footwear that you own, that you're interested in and wonder where2kop, that you handled in person, etc.
    • fit pics, of oneself or others, in RAF/JIL pieces
    • random anecdotes and stories related to these brands
    • etc.

    This is not at all to say that opinions don't belong in this thread - everyone is welcome to post reviews of particular products or collections, say - but when voicing a negative opinion, please, make an effort to contribute something new and interesting. Don't just proclaim 'Raf is dead' (who would be surprised to hear this?), support it with some bit of novel and factually-informed argumentation. And if you don't like a particular piece, don't just say 'that's hideous/boring' (anything will be considered hideous/boring by someone in a forum as large as this), tell us why you think so or point out inconspicuous details on the piece that might deter potential buyers.

    This applies to everyone except, of course, jet. :alien:

    In general though, information, not opinions, is what this thread is primarily about. It goes without saying, but if one truly has only negative things to say about the brands, one shouldn't post here at all.

    More posts coming...





    Online Stockists ↓↓↓↓↓↓ (last updated 12/31/2011)

    JIL SANDER


    Aloha Rag
    APROPOS
    Barneys
    Bergdorf Goodman
    Boutique 1 (empty stock ATM)
    boutique.ru (only sunglasses ATM)
    Browns
    Farfetch
    Harvey Nichols (only women's ATM)
    JIL SANDER e-STORE
    Laboratorio35
    LN-CC
    LVR
    MAENDLER
    MR PORTER (check UK site too)
    Neiman Marcus
    OKI-NI
    Rakuten (everything)
    Rakuten (accessories)
    Rakuten (men's apparel)
    Saks
    SelfRidges
    SelfRidges
    SSENSE (empty stock)
    Sydney's
    The Corner
    ThreeDifferent (fall/winter)
    ThreeDifferent (spring/summer)
    Tres Bien (stock will arrive soon)
    Verso
    yjp (everything)
    yjp (men's everything)
    yjp (men's "Others", i.e. accessories & shoes)
    Yoox (both seasons, new arrivals first)
    Yoox (footwear)
    Zappos (footwear)


    RAF SIMONS



    Aloha Rag
    Arthur (old season stuff)
    Barneys
    BLAST (no online shopping yet)
    Buyself
    Diabro
    Farfetch (only sunglasses ATM)
    Forward (almost empty stock)
    LAZZARI (almost empty stock)
    LN-CC (almost empty 'archive' stock)
    LVR (empty stock)
    MR PORTER (check UK site too)
    Nitty Gritty (empty stock)
    OKI-NI
    PARK
    Park & Bond
    Por Vocacao
    Rakuten (footwear)
    Rakuten (accessories)
    Rakuten (men's clothing)
    Seven
    Brand Collect
    SSENSE (empty stock)
    The Corner
    ThreeDifferent
    yjp (everything)
    yjp (shoes & accessories)
    Yoox (both seasons, new arrivals first)
    Yoox (footwear)







    Interviews ↓↓↓↓↓↓ (last updated 12/31/2011)

    WWD▮10/28/2011▮Marc KarimZadeh▮A New York Minute With Raf Simons
    WSJ▮8/25/2011▮Whitney Vargas▮The Show of the Season
    Vogue UK▮7/25/2011▮Jessica Bumpus▮Simons Says
    Style.com▮6/15/2010▮Maya Singer▮Raf Simons: Fashion Should Be “Hard To Grasp, Hard To Find”
    (German) ZEIT ▮April 2011▮"Ich fand Deutsche immer wunderbar" (ht: Zeemon)
    Telegraph▮ 2/26/2011▮ Raf Simons talks about his latest collection for Jil Sander (AUDIO) (ht: Sipang)
    Love▮Spring/Summer 2011▮Murray Healy▮Acrylic Afternoons
    Interview▮11/26/2008▮Kanye West▮Raf Simons
    Guardian▮1/29/2008▮Alice Fisher▮The geek who conquered the fashion world
    i-D Magazine▮2005/6▮Terry Jones▮Future Perfect 1 2
    Papercoffin.com▮2004▮Craig Garrett ▮Raf Simons: Infinite Ingress (ht: Sipang)





    Articles & Useful Links↓↓↓↓↓↓ (last updated 12/31/2011)

     
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    High resolution pictures of the two most recent JIL SANDER collections






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    now we need lanvin, balencicga, givenchy, Dior and YSL thread in the next.



    I will start. For FW 11 items, I tried several coats it fits good and the material is nice. I also tried several knits of the season. It's nothing special but the color, several colors are not easy to pull off. For material I can say it's not excellent, just a little above average compare to other designer knits.

    I like this short jacket in particular. There's different color one on ln-cc. I haven't handled the jacket in person yet, but from the picture, I think the jacket fits strange, nothing like the JIl jackets I've tried before. I don't know if it was designer to fit in that way.

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    ^You should start the Lanvin thread!

    Some detail shots of the fw11 quilted l/s tees from JIL, I've been trying to hunt down the white version. Hapsical has posted a very useful review of the short sleeve version in black (scroll down).

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    More detail shots of the FW11 JIL collection here
     
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    Did anyone actually stock Raf's dead prince pullover? Is all hope lost?


    Anyways, SS02 runway video & photos. sup shah


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    note: Raf deserves his own thread and really shouldn't be lumped with Jil, but whatev.
     
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    I wish Jil came back
     
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    Interesting, I'll post some pics of some recent Raf/Jil acquisitions later. I have to say I have a bit of a love/hate feeling towards his clothing. I appreciate that he is one of the designers that is trying to push men into thinking differently about dressing in the modern world, but at the same time his aesthetic can be a bit ruled based and binding on its own. I remember reading an interview someone did with him and Dries Van Noten and a question was asked about is there anything you would consider off limits or some such theme. Dries answered that he would pretty much consider anything and thought he shouldn't be the one to tell people what to wear and what not to wear. Raf on the other hand said he was very much an authoritarian and wanted to dictate how men should dress and I think that comes off in many of his collections. A sense of being in a minimalist straitjacket so to speak. But I think he is relevant and has something to say and really have no patience for those who say Raf is out, or in for that matter. I think most of the really great designers have ups and downs, periods of inspiration and boredom and that Raf will be around for quite awhile and it will be interesting to see how his vision evolves over time.

    By the way Yoox always seems to have a healthy supply of Raf and the prices are pretty good considering retail and if you don't mind being a season or two behind.

    I have no interest in the sneakers, I think like most other designers, Lavin, Dsquared, etc, they are just boring, but that's just me, if you love it go for it.
     
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    That's interesting, I've noticed that several JIL outerwear pieces this season seem to kind of flare out in the back on the mrporter model (esp. obvious in the videos). I haven't tried any of these on in person though.
    http://www.mrporter.com/product/303273
    http://www.mrporter.com/product/303271
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    ^ Yeah, kinda. But non of these jackets are noticeable as the black one I posted.

    The SS 12 sweaters looks nice, I wonder how it look in person. It's not really knit, it's a woven and knit hybrid thing. i feel raf is doing some hybrid season(boots+loafer; hiking boot and sneaker)
     
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    Very interesting, thanks for the thoughtful contribution.
    I remember the Detail interview you're referring to (may have posted it in RFT once). I didn't quite notice it at the time but upon re-reading it it was indeed quite obvious how different their attitudes are towards how men should dress. Worth a link: http://www.details.com/blogs/daily-...s-and-raf-simons-on-the-way-we-dress-now.html
    Agreed re: him being in a minimalist straitjacket, though it's somewhat interesting to note he once said about his ss11 women's collections for JIL: "There had been all this talk of ’the new minimalism’. So I thought, fuck it, maximalism is what we want to do.” (interview in LOVE).

    For me, the best thing about Yoox is its perennial supply of rafs in small sizes, the current collection doesn't have much that catches my fancy (doesn't fit me where it does), but I'm excited for when fw11 stock drops!
     
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    Some other Raf interviews/features I bookmarked, ordered by recency

    WWD▮10/28/2011▮Marc KarimZadeh▮A New York Minute With Raf Simons
    WSJ▮8/25/2011▮Whitney Vargas▮The Show of the Season
    Vogue UK▮7/25/2011▮Jessica Bumpus▮Simons Says
    Style.com▮6/15/2010▮Maya Singer▮Raf Simons: Fashion Should Be “Hard To Grasp, Hard To Find”
    Love▮SS2011▮Murray Healy▮Acrylic Afternoons
    Interview▮11/26/2008▮Kanye West▮Raf Simons
    Guardian▮1/29/2008▮Alice Fisher▮The geek who conquered the fashion world
    i-D Magazine▮2005/6▮Terry Jones▮Future Perfect 1 2
     
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    LVR has some mid distance full-body shots which probably give a reasonable approximation of how it looks IRL. Can't wait to see it in store though esp. in the grey + red/blue colorways



    I was just watching videos of old JIL runway shows a few days ago, will post pics if I find good quality ones
     
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    They are actually knits.

    Does anyone have hi res Virginia Creeper pics? Also Jil women's has been good lately.


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    Can we get a list of places to kop them as well. I don't remember seeing all the pieces on JIL website. Should have just included all the balla houses here and called it the The Swagger Thread...affordability not considered.
     
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    I'm frankly pretty confused here. Oki-ni describes the dark blue sweater as 'woven' whereas LVR describes the light blue sweater as 'knit' . Those are not versions of the same sweater though, the light blue is 100% cotton and the dark blue partly nylon.

    I did a reverse image search but, alas, didn't find any pictures higher-res than these
     
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    My lists of stockists, some have empty stock atm but may replenish in the future. Additions welcome!
    Fashionsauce and labelfinder also have good lists


    JIL

    Retailer URL
    Aloha Rag http://www.aloharag.com/highseas/dept.asp?s_id=0&dept_name=JIL+SANDER&dept_id=5239&WT.svl=deptnav2
    APROPOS http://www.apropos-store.com/shopby/designer/detail/filter/682/?limit=54
    Barneys http://www.barneys.com/Mens/MENS04,default,sc.html?prefn1=designer&prefv1=Jil Sander#&sz=121
    Bergdorf Goodman http://www.bergdorfgoodman.com/sear..._requestid=34&Ns=SELLABLE_DATE|1&N=4294966910
    Boutique 1 http://www.boutique1.com/index.php/mens.html?brand_name=620&limit=150
    boutique.ru http://www.boutique.ru/jil-sander/
    Browns http://www.brownsfashion.com/Produc...cts.aspx?&d=2439594&pc=633325&cl=2&ppc=633315
    Designs by Stephene W http://www.designsbystephene.com/jil-sander/
    Farfetch http://www.farfetch.com/shopping/men/search/schid-6a696c2073616e646572/items.aspx?q=jil+sander
    Harvey Nichols http://www.harveynichols.com/factfi...d=Jil+Sander&productsPerPage=all&q=Jil+Sander
    JIL SANDER e-STORE http://store.jilsander.com/navigation.asp?tskay=53F34A8E#/home/gender/U/season/main
    Laboratorio35 http://www.laboratorio35.com/View-Other-Designers/#Jil-Sander
    LN-CC http://www.ln-cc.com/men/jil-sander/icat/jil-sander-mens/
    LVR http://www.luisaviaroma.com/index.a...m=undefined&fromTrend=false&trend=&SortType=0
    MAENDLER http://www.maendler.com/de/men/designermarken/jil-sander-man?limit=all
    MR PORTER http://www.mrporter.com/Shop/Designers/Jil_Sander
    NAP W http://www.net-a-porter.com/Shop/Designers/Jil_Sander/All
    Neiman Marcus http://www.neimanmarcus.com/search....equestid=7677&Ns=SELLABLE_DATE|1&N=4294966789
    Nitty Gritty http://www.nittygrittystore.com/brand/category-shop/jilsander
    OKI-NI http://www.oki-ni.com/mens/jil-sander/icat/jilsander/
    Rakuten * http://search.rakuten.co.jp/search/mall/ジルサンダー/-/f.1-p.1-s.3-sf.1-st.O-v.3
    Saks http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/main...ndname||P_product_code&N=4294911968+306418052
    SelfRidges http://www.selfridges.com/en/Menswe...NDER/?brandname=JIL+SANDER&departmentId=19516
    Shopbop W http://www.shopbop.com/jil-sander/br/v=1/2534374302174659.htm
    SSENSE http://www.ssense.com/men/designers/jil_sander
    Sydney's http://www.shopsydneys.com/shop/category/collections/jil-sander/
    The Corner http://www.thecorner.com/THECORNER/.../30/gender/U/toll/A/tskay/7B4C1203/dept/tcman
    ThreeDifferent FW http://www.threedifferent.com/online-clothes-sales/0/men/0/181/1/0/0/1/Jil-Sander-men.asp
    Totokaelo W http://totokaelo.com/store/designers/jil-sander
    Tres Bien http://www.tresbienshop.net/brand/jil-sander/about/
    Verso http://www.verso.com/men/shop-by-designer/?brand=35
    yjp http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/...ンズ&slider=0&tab_ex=commerce&auccat=2084050247
    yjp http://category.auctions.yahoo.co.j...用&tab_ex=commerce&rkf=1&n=100&mode=1&slider=0
    yjp other http://category.auctions.yahoo.co.j...他&tab_ex=commerce&rkf=1&n=100&mode=1&slider=0
    Yoox F+S http://www.yoox.com/searchresult.as...spr_code=&textSearch=&last=ene_designer&last=
    Yoox shoes http://www.yoox.com/searchresult.as...extSearch=jil_____sander&last=macromicro_yoox
    Zappos http://couture.zappos.com/n/es/d/722699442/order_by/age_asc/page/1.html

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    Aloha Rag http://www.aloharag.com/highseas/dept.asp?dept_name=RAF+SIMONS&dept_id=7666&s_id=0&WT.svl=deptnav2
    Arthur http://www.arthur.gr.jp/cgis/RAF+SIMONS.html
    Attachment http://www.arthur.gr.jp/tsuhan/cgis/attachment.html
    Barneys http://www.barneys.com/Barneys-New-York/BARNEYS,default,sc.html?prefn1=designer&prefv1=Raf Simons
    BLAST http://www.basement-inc.jp/bmt/raf/
    Buyself http://item.rakuten.co.jp/buyself/c/0000000105/
    Diabro http://diabro.net/index.php/cPath/193_854
    Farfetch http://www.farfetch.com/shopping/men/raf-simons/items.aspx
    Forward http://www.forwardforward.com/fwd/Brands.jsp?d=M&c=Raf+Simons
    LAZZARI http://www.lazzariweb.it/shop/index.php?manufacturers_id=43&osCsid=b8672f6636bafccf6b33f8f6c8436695
    LN-CC http://www.ln-cc.com/browse/sale-me...brand=brand&bklist=icat,4,shop,mens,sale-mens
    LVR http://www.luisaviaroma.com/index.a...m=undefined&fromTrend=false&trend=&SortType=0
    MR PORTER http://www.mrporter.com/Shop/Designers/Raf_Simons
    Nitty Gritty http://www.nittygrittystore.com/brand/rafsimons
    OKI-NI http://www.oki-ni.com/mens/raf-simons/icat/rafsimons/
    PARK http://www.park-onlinestore.com/shop/raf-simons-m-1.html
    Park & Bond http://www.parkandbond.com/products/search?designer=raf-simons
    Por Vocacao https://www.porvocacao.com/shop/brands/raf-simons/
    Rakuten shoes http://search.rakuten.co.jp/search/mall/ラフシモンズ/靴-558885/f.1-p.1-s.3-sf.1-st.O-v.3
    Rakuten accs http://search.rakuten.co.jp/search/mall/ラフシモンズ/バッグ・小物・ブランド雑貨-216131/f.1-p.1-s.3-sf.1-st.O-v.3
    Rakuten clo http://search.rakuten.co.jp/search/mall/ラフシモンズ/メンズファッション・靴-551177/f.1-p.1-s.3-sf.1-st.O-v.3
    Seven http://sevennewyork.com/men/mens-designers/raf-simons?limit=all
    Space http://www.spacetokyo.jp/item_list/bd-00602_od-0_lm-36_pg-1.html
    SSENSE http://www.ssense.com/men/designers/raf_simons
    The Corner http://www.thecorner.com/raf-simons/department/gender/U/tskay/7B4C1203/dept/tcrafsimonsm
    ThreeDifferent http://www.threedifferent.com/online-clothes-sales/0/men/0/29/1/0/0/1/Raf-Simons-men.asp
    yjp Other http://category.auctions.yahoo.co.j...merce&auccat=2084205004&rkf=1&mode=1&slider=0
    yjp shoes http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/...=&n=100&slider=0&tab_ex=commerce&auccat=23200
    Yoox F+S http://www.yoox.com/YOOX/RAF+SIMONS...Author=&size=&spr_code=&textSearch=&last=sort
    Yoox knit http://www.yoox.com/searchresult.as...extSearch=RAF_____SIMONS&last=macromicro_yoox
    Yoox shoes http://www.yoox.com/searchresult.as...extSearch=RAF_____SIMONS&last=macromicro_yoox
     
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    Wow, nice. This should be in the first post IMO.
     
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    ^Good point, I'll update the first post with links when thread is sufficiently enriched. I also need to edit those lists a bit for readability
     
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