M. Bardamu
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"Begs the question"
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Is this for real?Originally Posted by holymadness
Welcome back. Though quantitatively small, I find your posts highly qualitative in nature.
While you are correct about the phrase "begs the question," it is important to remember that language is fluid and adapts over time. If enough people over time, use that phrase in the same manner, even if incorrect, it becomes part of the English language.Originally Posted by JMRouse
So could "d'brickasho" become part of the SF nomenclature?
+1Originally Posted by d'brickasho
people got to be stop being tightwads (except for lawyerdad) around here. it is the webz. trust me, i didnt graduate no college or submit work papers using no capitals all the time.
Is this malapropism intentional?
leftover_salmon
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The colloquial and philosophic/logic use of "begging the question" are different. Simple as that.
What REALLY annoys me, though, is when people use "ironic" instead of "coincidental."
What REALLY annoys me, though, is when people use "ironic" instead of "coincidental."
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good spelling and proper syntax are, to my mind, signs of good manners and civility.Originally Posted by wingcat
Originally Posted by leftover_salmon
What REALLY annoys me, though, is when people use "ironic" instead of "coincidental."
I find that ironical.
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Usage matters. My intuition was that the nontraditional use of "begs the question" has come to be so predominant that it has legitimized it. I guess that most people understand the phrase in its nontraditional (and notably, a less idiomatic) sense. As such, I would argue that it's a valid usage. Language evolves; that's what makes it fun.
A quick glance at Mr. Garner's helpful guide confirms: ". . . the use of beg the question to mean raise another question is so ubiquitous that the new sense has been recognized by most dictionaries and sanctioned by descriptive observers of language."
So, I suppose my point is that it's fine to be the grammar/language police, but you've got to pick your battles. In particular, try to pick battles that haven't already been lost.
A final point: don't you think it's somewhat odd to get riled by a considerably less idiomatic (though admittedly metaphorical) usage of a phrase that you think should be used exclusively in its more idiomatic sense? A non-native speaker who's unfamiliar with the phrase would read it to mean "raises or compels the question", which would be an entirely fair reading of the words. How can that be wrong?
A quick glance at Mr. Garner's helpful guide confirms: ". . . the use of beg the question to mean raise another question is so ubiquitous that the new sense has been recognized by most dictionaries and sanctioned by descriptive observers of language."
So, I suppose my point is that it's fine to be the grammar/language police, but you've got to pick your battles. In particular, try to pick battles that haven't already been lost.
A final point: don't you think it's somewhat odd to get riled by a considerably less idiomatic (though admittedly metaphorical) usage of a phrase that you think should be used exclusively in its more idiomatic sense? A non-native speaker who's unfamiliar with the phrase would read it to mean "raises or compels the question", which would be an entirely fair reading of the words. How can that be wrong?
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