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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. BostonHedonist

    BostonHedonist Senior member

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    I'm guessing Calatrava. I peg Brax for a traditionalist.
     
  2. mimo

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    Either way, this is a kop of significance. What a fabulous box - worth a picture in itself!

    Keith T - definitely near the top of my list too, bar one. OK, maybe joint top!

    Talking of Rolexes, I wish to engage the specialist expertise of the Twatterati: I fear a friend of mine is getting burned by a Rolex AD on a repair. He dropped the watch (right in front of me) and cracked the crystal. It's a DJ, about six years old, never serviced. I took it for him to the AD, who replied the he needs:

    - fulll service, about $300

    - new crystal (of course), about $170

    and (this is where my eyes narrowed and my blood pressure went up)...

    - "spare parts", about $300

    I suggested to the guy I spoke to that they couldn't possibly know what "parts" were needed, other than the crystal, before they'd even opened the watch. He even suggested that parts get "rusty" after a few years, and that "most parts" would need replacing. Clearly talking nonsense. However, for the sake of fairness, I include the written quote that I've since requested, and ask your advice:
    Quote: Now, replacing the gaskets might be a normal part of the service - but then isn't that in the cost of a service? Replacing the hands, which they claim are damaged by the broken crystal (it's cracked, not shattered), might even fly at a stretch, though I don't think so. But screws? The pallet fork, escape wheel...mainspring? After six years? And wouldn't all those parts actually add up to rather more than the $300 if they were really needed?

    It seems to me that they have just pulled a figure out of the air, and are now seeking to justify it. Let me reiterate: the numbers came before they'd even examined the watch in the workshop, and now the list of replacement parts seems to have become as impressive as possible.

    But I happen to know the owner of the AD a little, and although he's a bigshot and I wouldn't want to bother him about trivia, I'm minded to drop a bomb here.

    @Belligero @Dino944 @in stitches et al...tell me why?
     
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    A tease like that (showing pictures of an unopened Patek box) should be made illegal! Can't wait to see what model it is!
     
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    This gives me chest pains.
    I would be sendng it to Rolex directly or finding another AD.
    However, that being said... I have to say that the Overhaul price also seems a bit low.
     
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    There is only one AD in this country. Which is why I want to make sure I'm exactly right in the complaint I'm about to make.

    I agree, the service price seems perfectly reasonable, if not low.
     
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    Mimo. That total service price sounds about right to me. Take out the crystal and that's what I'd expect to pay for a full Rolex Service nowadays.
     
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    Yeah, I've been searching around for comparisons. It seems to me that there are two issues: one is the assumption that all the things that could need replacing, will need replacing - before looking at them - and the other is that the guy didn't know how to answer my question and started making shit up. Which has made me suspicious, perhaps excessively?
     
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    Whats the market price for a 16570 Explorer II with no papers and no box, serviced 2014. Comes on a natostrap.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. BostonHedonist

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    @mimo
    I recently took my GMT II in for service (15 years old and it had only ever been in for service once). My AD quoted a flat $600 (which is on par with Rolex official prices) unless any additional parts were needed. I assume there are probably certain components (like seals) that are switched out on every overhaul service. It could be that they broke down the full price of the overhaul into subcategories?
    @Dino944 would probably know ...

    @Sweden - I'd say mid to upper $3k range probably. All depends on the seller's investment in the piece and how well you can negotiate.
     
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    @Sweden
     - I'd say mid to upper $4k range probably. All depends on the seller's investment in the piece and how well you can negotiate. 
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    The deal is his Explorer for my IWC 3777 full set, no money between.

    A good deal?
     
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    @Sweden

    (the 4k was a typo FYI, I'd meant to say 3)

    If you'd rather have the Explorer than your Pilot, why not?

    It really all comes down to what's motivating you to have one watch vs another. At the end of the day, a Swiss timepiece is an emotional purchase and many $10,000 watches are effectively not that much better than many $5,000 watches. If you're thinking in terms of comparing which would sell for a few hundred bucks more, I'd push back and say what difference does it make? You want what you want and you should have it if you can.

    Personally, I would want at least the original bracelet for the Explorer. No documents plus no original bracelet is usually a red flag for me (especially if it's coming from Brazil or somewhere with high Rolex theft). And OEM Rolex bracelets aren't exactly cheap.

    Also, if the proposed trade is occurring online in lieu of a direct Paypal transaction, double red flag. If the guy just kept your Pilot there'd be no recourse.

    I don't mean to scare you off from what could be a very gratifying trade. Just trying to play devil's advocate.
     
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    It goes through a dealer in a nordic country :)

    I think I pass, I want the steel bracelet as a minimum :)

    Thanks for your input!
     
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    Yeah, I think you're going to want an Oyster bracelet at some point for that watch, Sweden.

    And like BH said, I'd look for a deal that has the whole ball of wax included.

    There should be plenty of them out there.


    mimo: not sure how to advise you in regards to your dealings with that AD repair, but I think you're right to assume that they're probably "backing into a number"... and just throwing out a bunch of parts and terms that the average watch owner might not be all that familiar with.

    I mean, if everything gets fixed to owner's satisfaction at a reasonable price, then no harm, no foul... but that's really not how business should be done, IMO.

    Poor souls probably have no idea that they are dealing with the Pernicious Enabler :devil:
     
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    I agree. The Oyster bracelet is the main reason to buy a Rolex, haha!
     
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    @Sweden. Good call. I totally agree with BH. I've seen head only pieces list close to 3k USD without B&P. I'm not stuck on papers for older models particularly but the bracelet is pretty important.

    Edit: it also depends which serial. As Dino has mentioned previously, SEL bracelets are preferable and they do sell for a bit more.
     
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    Work of art there, my good man (and it's been pouring here in Australia for two days straight! :( ). I think this is now my favourite watch!
     
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    Mazal tov. BH!

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    Mimo, an AD giving a repair estimate without opening the watch is ridiculous. The one and only way to do this is for the watch to be sent in, opened and examined, and then an estimate is given.
     
  18. Keith T

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    Gah! Been staring at that damn Sub pic for far too long now!

    Funny how the beefy lugs don't bother me like they once did when the watch was redesigned. I may not have done a complete 180°, but have to admit that I've thawed considerably on that particular ... feature. (I know I'm not the only one). Definitely has grown on me.

    There's surely room enough under the big Submariner tent for that new kind of sexiness.

    I guess in a perfect world, I'd get a Red 1680, and a 5513 to wear on NATO, and a 14060 as a beater, and.....
     
  19. TheWraith

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    You know, I was originally thinking of getting the previous version of the Sub, as I thought the chunky lugs would bother me (which they kind of did in some online photos). On the wrist, however, I don't even notice the wider lugs. Seriously, it's a complete non issue now.

    Today
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  20. mimo

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    I think the current Sub is stunning, and I love the fat lugs. Argh...resist! So many things to want, so little excuse to buy them!
     
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