The Ultimate Supplement Thread!

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by JoeWoah, Feb 26, 2008.

  1. why

    why Senior member

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    LA can be metabolized into DHA and EPA, so eating canola-based mayonnaise can be decent enough.

    Fish Oil is highly overrated.
     


  2. javyn

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    Right but the body is incredibly inefficient at this.

    Here's my regimen:

    Morning:
    5 grams spirulina and/or chlorella to get me going

    After breakfast:
    1 gram ascorbic acid
    1 gram lysine
    1 gram MSM
    1,000 IU D3

    After lunch:
    1 gram ascorbic acid
    1 gram lysine
    1 gram MSM

    Evening:
    Sometimes 5 more grams of chlorella

    After dinner:
    1 gram ascorbic acid
    1 gram lysine
    1 gram MSM

    Before bed:
    5 grams magnesium citrate
    50 mg zinc picolinate

    Also I have whey/egg/lecithin shakes after workouts.
     


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    ALA can be metabolized into DHA and EPA, so eating canola-based mayonnaise can be decent enough.

    Fish Oil is highly overrated.


    I totally disagree. Humans are not very good at converting ALA to EPA and even less able to convert it to DHA. Fish oils are our main sources of these fatty acids. While many nutritional supplements have very limited or no evidence at all that they are beneficial, there is considerable scientific data on the benefits of fish oil supplementation. Sources?? Just google and you will find plenty. I am not in the mood to do a PubMed search right now; maybe after I have my fish oil!
     


  4. javyn

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    Yeah from the research I've done, I read less than 2 or 3% of ALA is converted to EPA, DHA. I just didn't say anything because I didn't save the link to that study and why demands that others do his research for him if the argument does not support his views.
     


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    I take an omega-3 supplement. Also selenium (supposed to be good for the prostate), zinc, vitamins B, C, E, A. I read about the combination of alpha lipoic acid and acetyl l-carnitine (commonly called ALA and ALC) and how it's effective in preventing Alzheimer's. In general it aids cognitive function. Evidently, humans lose these chemicals as they age. Also, try to eat more fish. Not hard to do because I love it. I usually have two smoked salmon fillets a week.
     


  6. why

    why Senior member

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    Yeah from the research I've done, I read less than 2 or 3% of ALA is converted to EPA, DHA. I just didn't say anything because I didn't save the link to that study and why demands that others do his research for him if the argument does not support his views.

    No, I already did the research.

    There's no amount of EPA and DHA that are considered 'enough' for the human body, so I don't know where most of the EFA comments come from.

    Anyone know of a study that measures EFA intake and their effects?
     


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    No, I already did the research.

    There's no amount of EPA and DHA that are considered 'enough' for the human body, so I don't know where most of the EFA comments come from.

    Anyone know of a study that measures EFA intake and their effects?


    I know of none that go particularly high (15g+) in dosage. The only presumed downside to a high dosage is blood-thinning (obviously), but I would guess there are others.

    I have to admit that, taking into consideration prior postings where you have appeared to be knowledge, I am baffled by your assertion that small amount of ALA (assuming you do not inhale mayonnaise throughout the day) would somehow be sufficient to try and "right" the 3:6 balance. The amount of ALA consumed would be minimal, and the eventual metabolization is horribly inefficient. Fish oil is overrated by people that consider it to be some kind of panacea, but it's useful for pretty much everyone in that it is the easiest way (price, availability, dosage) to get DHA and EPA (and depending on what you're taking, CLA).
     


  8. why

    why Senior member

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    I have to admit that, taking into consideration prior postings where you have appeared to be knowledge, I am baffled by your assertion that small amount of ALA (assuming you do not inhale mayonnaise throughout the day) would somehow be sufficient to try and "right" the 3:6 balance. The amount of ALA consumed would be minimal, and the eventual metabolization is horribly inefficient. Fish oil is overrated by people that consider it to be some kind of panacea, but it's useful for pretty much everyone in that it is the easiest way (price, availability, dosage) to get DHA and EPA (and depending on what you're taking, CLA).

    ALA is an n-3, so it will help 'correct' the 3:6 balance somewhat.

    I also cannot find anything to actually verify what percentage of ALA is converted into EPA/DHA outside of supplement websites selling EPA and DHA. Anyone have a study that actually shows the percentage?
     


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    ALA is an n-3, so it will help 'correct' the 3:6 balance somewhat.

    I also cannot find anything to actually verify what percentage of ALA is converted into EPA/DHA outside of supplement websites selling EPA and DHA. Anyone have a study that actually shows the percentage?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9637947
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15576848
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16441943
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16188209
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17275274
     


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    A multi-vitamin, Kyolic Garlic formula 104, chromium picolinate and a couple of gel-caps of psyllium powder.

    I tried PGX powder, but it was just too gross. I may try the PGX capsules in place of the psyllium at some point.
     


  11. sho'nuff

    sho'nuff grrrrrrrr!!

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    my daily supplement intake:

    (all Herbalife products)

    3x multivitamin
    3x garlic tablet
    3x Triple berry (for healthy urinary tract)
    3x Garden 7 tablet
    1x prostate health tablet

    4-5x omega 3 acid gelcap
    5-9x krill oil gelcap
     


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    I take the following supplements:

    Whey Protein
    Fish oil
    Flax seed oil
    Creatine ethyl ester
     


  13. sho'nuff

    sho'nuff grrrrrrrr!!

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    i am wondering if any of you do this as well:

    i know alot of multivitamins that come in hard tablet form. mine do. i am not too sure/keen on the absorbtion of these, so i take 3x the recommended dose.

    let say twice a day, instead of 1 tablet, i take 3 . i also sort of prechew them up in my mouth before swallowing to get more abraded surface area to volume ratio.

    my multivitamin does not have a high iron content (10% daily recommended)

    is there anything i need to be aware of/cautious of before i continue doing this?
     


  14. javyn

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    I'm not sure that chewing them up will help with absorption, won't it all get separated in your stomach anyway? Also check to make sure you are not getting too much zinc from taking 3 multis. Although, I'm sure it's a poorly absorbed zinc gluconate in there anyway.

    Instead of having to take so many tablets and chewing them, why not just get a better multi where you don't need to do that? I hear NOW ADAM is very good, and it comes in capsules.
     


  15. sho'nuff

    sho'nuff grrrrrrrr!!

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    i heard that tablet form multivitamin usually pass through your stomach without even a bit of a breakdown. chewing them up a bit may help with that perhaps.

    the reason why i take these multis is because they are provided free to us at our work. i work for Herbalife.
     


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