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Rider,
With regard to Reno...again, I plead ignorance to the ingredients and don't claim any useful experience with it. But I can read (and often do), nevertheless it's not as simple as "water based"...
From the MSD on Reno:
"Due to the solvents present, it is recommended that polyvinyl alcohol or nitrile rubber gloves be worn"
Hi - Reno is a fantastic product.... -
Your boots are holding up excellently.
FWIW, I like the Creme Universelle better. It seems to sink in better and be less of a "polish".
FWIW, I think reno is an excellent product for using a dab (like half the size of a pea) for swirling on the toe and heel over a wax polish to bring life back into the shine.
For the older shoes I was using whatever polish Barker Black was selling under their name brand. Saphir possibly. This was back in ~2006-ish.
it's probably best to apply lexol conditioner on the vamp to soften up the leather on new shoes, leading to less creases?
Hi - Reno is a fantastic product.....what do you mean 'all this negativity' though? Just curious.
As for the actual usage, can you post a pic by chance? Trying to follow 'artificial wrinkling'.....and if you are seeing veins in the leather well, that would be the leather not the product.
Renovateur is a very gentle conditioner.....it's main active ingredient is cosmetic grade real Mink Oil - it's not a harsh cleaner by any means. It's completely natural with no chemicals or solvent (besides water, which is technically a solvent). And it is, despite some recent comments I've read here, mainly a conditioner. It's ridiculous to think that this product.....on the market since the 20's and used/sold by Hermes, John Lobb, C&J, Berluti, LV, JM Weston, Gucci and on and on, would be harmful to shoes or leathergoods. Hell, they even use it in the Louvre on ancient bookbindings from what I'm told.
Anyway, I'd love to be pointed to some negativity so I can see if it is educated comments, maybe someone who used it incorrectly so I can help, or simply people typing away the day without much to say........that or maybe someone who has had enough of incessant advertising (me too, and I'm the distributor! It's not my deal.....) has decided to kick it around just cuse -
I don't know how good a conditioner or a cleaner renovator is or what other better products for conditioning or cleaning are out there. But I have been using it on my shoes for a few years without any adverse effects. I have also recently started using GlennKaren cleaner /conditioner. I think GK is a good conditioner but a stronger cleaner compared to renovator. I base this simply on how much polish comes off when applying the GK product vs Renovator. With Renovator it cleans very little but GK is almost good in cleaning and removing layers of waxes like Renomat but in a more gentle way. Both the renovator ang GK cleaner have a place in my shoe maintenance program.
Hi - Reno is a fantastic product.....what do you mean 'all this negativity' though? Just curious.
As for the actual usage, can you post a pic by chance? Trying to follow 'artificial wrinkling'.....and if you are seeing veins in the leather well, that would be the leather not the product.
Renovateur is a very gentle conditioner.....it's main active ingredient is cosmetic grade real Mink Oil - it's not a harsh cleaner by any means. It's completely natural with no chemicals or solvent (besides water, which is technically a solvent). And it is, despite some recent comments I've read here, mainly a conditioner. It's ridiculous to think that this product.....on the market since the 20's and used/sold by Hermes, John Lobb, C&J, Berluti, LV, JM Weston, Gucci and on and on, would be harmful to shoes or leathergoods. Hell, they even use it in the Louvre on ancient bookbindings from what I'm told.
Anyway, I'd love to be pointed to some negativity so I can see if it is educated comments, maybe someone who used it incorrectly so I can help, or simply people typing away the day without much to say........that or maybe someone who has had enough of incessant advertising (me too, and I'm the distributor! It's not my deal.....) has decided to kick it around just cuse -
As you can see in the pic from this weekend.....I use Creme Universelle mostly also - and Tarrago Balm as well.
We never made for Barker Black. If it was French it would have been Famaco, which is heavy stoddard solvent. If it was Japan (Columbus/Boot Black) their solvent is kerosene.
I agree with Ron. I have tried more products than I care to mention and renovateur is actually the best.
In my experience for shoes in particular an emulsion works better than straight liquid conditioners. Whilst these are absorbed more quickly by the leather they also dissipate more readily, which in turn requires increased applications, with each application taking a little finish off with it....
I don't think I have been to the workshop of a single high end maker in France or Italy where they have not used creme universelle extensively. Interestingly enough I always find it gives my shoes quite a shine.
Barker Black Polish was made by Dasco.
I'd use the lexol, then polish. Anything more is overkill on new shoes. I'd even say the lexol is overkill on new shoes.Quote:
I'm not trying to prevent creases, but more about treating new shoes properly to mitigate creases that would otherwise occur. Some people mentioned to layer polish 3x on new shoes in another forum to prevent scatches on the leather, but that seems harmful than helpful to cover new shoes with so much product. How about a simple polish and then some lexol conditioner on the vamp before initial wear? Would that suffice or is that even over doing it?
My go-to product for conditioning is Bick4. I don't know the ingredients but it doesn't smell of solvents, doesn't feel greasy or waxy and penetrates the leather readily--where it is trapped by the fiber mat and remains to nourish the leather for longer that the moment. I seriously doubt that the "active" ingredients are either fugitive, drying, or occlusive as so many other products tend to be.
Nice looking saddle.
Oil can be applied to the underside, as long as you don't overoil it so much that it wicks up to the surface and makes splotches. I tend to like Lexol NF for those light saddles, but even that will darken them somewhat. I used to be a fan of Bick 4, but the last bottle I bought makes the top layer(s) of skin peel off my hands since it is so either drying or irritating. I'ved recently read complaints on several boards where people say their saddles treated w/ Bick 4 now have surface cracks. And one person says the MSDS for Bick 4 says do not get on your skin. So, maybe it's not so great for leather then, hehe??? I'm not so wild about Bick 4 now, lol.
I'm not sure I would want Renomat-level stripping each time I conditioned.
I'm not sure I would want Renomat-level stripping each time I conditioned.
Exactly......I'm not sure how this came up or who suggested it but, even on my own middlin little site, I only recommend using this - at most - a couple time a year.
Don't use this product regularly, period.
http://www.riderbootshop.com/saphir-renomat/
My own perspective and experiences tell me that dirt is probably one of the major issues, if not the issue.
Conditioners that do not penetrate the leather but remain on the surface, collect grit and dirt.
Solvents dry leather...
My go-to product for conditioning is Bick4. I don't know the ingredients but it doesn't smell of solvents...