Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr.K, Mar 25, 2011.
I like having more old guard back in here. Keep it up, guys.
I just figured what this thread needed was more discussion of me.
Yes, but it is needed more desperately in some instances than in others.
So long as it's not about me anymore.
If you were a cult leader, and if I had kids, I would send them to you.
Thank you. Now that Vox has vanished and PG has departed, there's a void waiting to be filled. I just need a few adherents and I'll be on my way.
Spoo seems to have a signature fit. I am no proponent of his style, but I am wondering if these criticisms are based in reality or some kind of circle jerk forum kind of mentality. All of you more senior members did pile on to "protect" luftvier's obviously flawed fits, so I don't see so much reason being employed here.
First question, 'very puffed out chest'. This implies the chest is puffed out and exaggerated. Don't see it, how so?
'Too tight waist': The waist is hardly too tight, perhaps the rise on his trousers is low, but it is not so easy to tell from that picture.
Too open above the button, more of a U than a V shape: No
Despos has a really sharp eye. I had not even noticed the altered lapels until he mentioned it. If he could weigh in I think the criticisms would be more balanced.
I guess I fell for the blue watch face trend by picking up an omega hr vision. Anyways, the line between fashion and 'classic men's style' isn't always as clear as you think. Everything thing you do is context dependent, classic rules of dress do not apply the way they did or else you'd wear your tailcoat and walking stick more often. And trying to seem not be following a trend is a bad as following the trend. If you have matured in your tastes you know what you like regardless of what is fashionable or not.
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Some of it is preference, yes. GQ's preference right now is for absurdly tight clothing. But that doesn't mean it fits by traditional standards. At a certain point, a guy has to decide what he's going for. Personally, I think tweaking the traditional fit standards can be OK, even interesting ... if the resulting combination looks like a cohesive whole. Thom Browne has a look, though I don't care for it. But too often, what we see here are guys squeezing themselves into clothes that just look too small or ill-fitting or unflattering on their builds. The guys who are most successful at playing around with proportion generally have an excellent grasp on the traditional proportions and a strong understanding of their body types. So, in short, it depends partly on your perspective. But, at the same time, that doesn't invalidate the traditional guidelines for how clothes should fit.
Spoo is a mannequin. His attire is too perfect each time. Same poses. I'm not even sure if he is real. I doubt so. He is fictitious.
As for Spoo's attire being of a "very puffed out chest, too-tight waist, too open above the button and more of a "U" rather than "V" shape, overall a look of a short front balance and the impression that the coat is riding up and off the neck."
I wonder what you see through your eyes, I wouldnt want to know.
ojfc. yes, everything must be a "circle jerk." Look, considering your repeated complaints about, oh, it seems, everyone who voices any criticism in this thread, I took care to be both polite and non-snarky and very specific. Lufty's cloths do not have any obvious fit problems and they show none of the issues of spoo's that I identify above. If you want to call all of these silhouette and not fit issues, that's fine, though the front balance issue at a minimum is definitely fit. In any case, I took care to say that I don't like spoo's cut not the fit. I have also said that I am not in love with Lufty's sack silhouette either though I do think it is superior to spoo's and looks more tasteful, elegant, restrained, etc. It also closes better in front, does not look like it's riding up or pulling at the waist. I would prefer to see more of a draped chest with a trimmer hip and a slightly reduced waist on him, a la A&S or Neapolitan drape coat because that is what I like. Are we still allowed to talk about what we like here or is that now considered "rude"?
We need to get Foo in here to do some diagramming.
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