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Looking at that pic of Eccles, Roy, do you remember being at a match and singing:

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Who's the b*stard in the big black hat? Copper! Copper!
Who's the b*stard in the big black hat? Copper is his name!
Copper is his name, Copper is his name!
Who's the b*stard in the big black hat? Copper is his name![/I]

We did not sing that one MoM, But we did sing one referring to Harry Roberts, Wacky but thats kids for you

Originally Posted by Lasttye

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We did not sing that one MoM, But we did sing one referring to Harry Roberts, Wacky but thats kids for you

'Arry Roberts is our friend,
is our friend,
is our friend!
'Arry Roberts is our friend...

What about 'zigga zagger zigga zagger oi oi oi' ?

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

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'Arry Roberts is our friend,
is our friend,
is our friend!
'Arry Roberts is our friend...

I guess some of you will be familiar with Jake Arnott, skinheads make an appearance in his books too:

http://thehighhat.com/Marginalia/002/arnott.html

Originally Posted by bunty

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What about 'zigga zagger zigga zagger oi oi oi' ?

A bit boring, that one, bunters.

Originally Posted by Alex Roest

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When we're talking football I was wondering about the following: I think it's generally accepted that skinheads started in the East End whereas the North Bank Arsenal was apparently the first skinhead 'end' that was being established a such. Comments?
Not sure that skinheads started in East London, I like to think it was West London To be honest i do not think anyone knows for certain. One thing.. they began in London. Again not sure that the North Bank Arsenal had the first skinheads on their End, I was never interested in football, and only started to go to Chelsea because of my mates, I started to go 68/69 season by 73 i had been nicked 13 times, 10 of which was related to Football. My mates would get all upset if Chelsea lost, I could never understand this, i just went for the fighting, I enjoyed going all over the Country in a gang of 1000s, for a couple of years the Old Bill got the run around.. they just could not get a grip of the shear scale of the violence. it was a glorious time. Even now at 57 i look back with no regrets, I never hurt anyone who was a innocent or a by stander, The violence was between two consenting supporters. I remember against Arsenal 69/70 season coming out of Chelsea ground, I heard a rumble looking up i saw Thousands of Arsenal coming at us, for a moment we turned to run, but because of shear numbers no one could run so we turned and ran at them, I had a bloke come at me with a axe, he chased me around a parked car, I dived over the car and landed under a Police Horse, and managed to get away. West Ham had a rep at the time, but to me they always looked 3 years older than us, them Men we was just Boys, I saw many a act of bravery which in a Army blokes would have got medals When i started work in the building trade, you would get loads of Skinheads on site, training as apprentices, I would work all over London and the City, You would walk on site smart as fcuk, and meet Skinheads from all the football mobs, Although we was enemies we all became firm friends only how teenagers do, One lad a Millwall supporter is a friend to this day, I would often go to Millwall with him and he to Chelsea with me, just for the rucks. By the way i only learned about the Off Side rule in 98 my younger Son explained it to me, It was the first time at Chelsea since 73, I go 3 or 4 times a season these days. I get bored by half time

Singing it all the way to Warners Dovercourt Bay when I was 6, with the old man getting lost and arguing with mum....it was funny then!

Originally Posted by Lasttye

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Not sure that skinheads started in East London, I like to think it was West London

To be honest i do not think anyone knows for certain. One thing for certain.. they began in London.

Again not sure that the North Bank Arsenal had the first skinheads on their End

I tend to re-read a thing or two these days and as a result I'll post a few more dubious statements I reckon. There are a lot of things written about skinheads that are more or less taken for granted and I do like you to comment on them because in true life any story is usually a lot more complicated than some would like us to believe...

I Know not all Original Skinheads was into Gangs, Violence or Football, But when you become a gang member you get drawn in, this happened to me.
In the 60s i was sport mad, never could play football, but i did Judo, also i was a Road and Track Racing cyclist.
I was out one night on my bike training, i was riding up Kilburn High Road and was at the lights when a mate from School shouted out to me, He was standing there with three other lads, What you up to Roy, Out training i replied the three others started to laugh, fcuk that John said, Why dont you come around Mikes cafe one night.. we all get in there, ok i said, two days later i walked in that cafe, every seat was taken up with Boys and Girls, the Juke box was playing, it just blew me away, a couple of days later i sold all my bikes that i loved, and became a Gang member within a month i had been Nicked twice.

Originally Posted by bunty

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What about 'zigga zagger zigga zagger oi oi oi' ?

That was Mike Greenaway RIP.

Originally Posted by Lasttye

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I Know not all Original Skinheads was into Gangs, Violence or Football, But when you become a gang member you get drawn in, this happened to me.
In the 60s i was sport mad, never could play football, but i did Judo, also i was a Road and Track Racing cyclist.
I was out one night on my bike training, i was riding up Kilburn High Road and was at the lights when a mate from School shouted out to me, He was standing there with three other lads, What you up to Roy, Out training i replied the three others started to laugh, fcuk that John said, Why dont you come around Mikes cafe one night.. we all get in there, ok i said, two days later i walked in that cafe, every seat was taken up with Boys and Girls, the Juke box was playing, it just blew me away, a couple of days later i sold all my bikes that i loved, and became a Gang member within a month i had been Nicked twice.

Roy you're just writing the book for us here, you realise that!

Taken from 'The Ball is Round A Global History of Football' David Goldblatt Oh and in no way is it another Hooligan book..

Originally Posted by bunty

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Taken from 'The Ball is Round A Global History of Football' David Goldblatt

Oh and in no way is it another Hooligan book..

Date of publication, publisher's name, and page number please bunty. (You'll get used to me asking for that)

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

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Roy you're just writing the book for us here, you realise that!

The lad John went on to become part of Ken Livingstone's London Assembly, I was chatting to John a couple of weeks ago how he roped me into the Kilburn Mob

Originally Posted by Lasttye

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When i started work in the building trade, you would get loads of Skinheads on site, training as apprentices, I would work all over London and the City, You would walk on site smart as fcuk, and meet Skinheads from all the football mobs, Although we was enemies we all became firm friends only how teenagers do, One lad a Millwall supporter is a friend to this day, I would often go to Millwall with him and he to Chelsea with me, just for the rucks.

Interesting comments Roy. Just to introduce myself a little bit further I've been interested in skinheads from an early age on, I've never actually been involved in the revival scene though. However, I can remember having read an interview with some original skins and one of them mentioned that during 'the lean years' one would have to travel all across London just to have a drink with fellow skinheads. The next thing he mentioned went something like nowadays they are killing each other over football (i.e. in '80).

Again just a random statement that sprang to mind I thought might be useful in some way...