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The SW&D Intellectual Masturbation Station

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Teger, May 14, 2012.

  1. thewho13

    thewho13 Senior member

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    Uh, Teger, you can't divorce anything from the realm of politics as far as I know...
     
  2. Teger

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    huh? lots of academic works don't advocate for political change, and lots of works that are about politics don't try to extend their thesis/conclusions to speak to modern society. not every work needs to end with a 40 page rant about israeli-palestinian relationships :foo:
     
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    That's not exactly what I meant. You said that "good academic theory is divorced from politics." I don't think that's even possible; everything is always already political. In other words, politics is implicated in everything: the way you see, the way you speak, the way you go to the bathroom, the attention you pay to your hygiene, the narratives that you may or may not choose to focus on in your own written works, the way that you interpret "hard data," etc.
     
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    Well as someone trained as a historian in that rigorous tradition, I still find Foucault's work to be extraordinarily rich and insightful, and indeed absolutely foundational for any understanding of modernity, even with the lacunae and mistakes. No-one ever said you have to use only Foucault, least of all Foucault himself, who was actually quite modest about the empirical limits of his project.

    And one of my absolute favourite works of history is Braudel's The Mediterranean and the Mediterranean World in the Age of Philip II, which of course he wrote in a prison camp, entirely from memory without access to any primary sources at all. It's not all about citations, it's about ideas. And the range and penetration of people like Braudel and Foucault were quite simply beyond most others in the late C20th.
     
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  6. Teger

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    my original post was unclear. i meant divorced from a political agenda. obviously political views inform the way in which someone writes about a subject, but that also doesn't mean that every theory has to have some sort of current political or social application. sometimes writing about napoleon's troop movements is just writing aout napoleon's troop movements.
     
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    And why would you?
     
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    SF occupies all but the lowest level.

    Safety: Security of body, members who have recently lost a lot of weight or still in the process of doing so.

    Love/Belonging: Most SF newbies. A sense of belonging, an exact replica of the SF uniform with the awkward pose. You spot these types on SF because they are so eager to rehash any advice they've read (but not actually experienced).

    Esteem: Well known posters, people who actually like their sense of style and the direction their wardrobe is taking. They seek to please themselves but also like minded people they respect, probably due to the specificity of their tastes.

    Self-actualization: swag/spezzratura/steeze
     
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    I'd actually recommend reading some Nietzsche, in particular, The Gay Science. While obviously not postmodernism, it's Nietzsche's most accessible book and provides a good introduction to some of the working theories of postmodernism (and can probably help you approach what exactly Foucault is doing--which is not simply documenting facts per se, but questioning how certain truth regimes emerged in different historical eras). And his aphorisms are much more enjoyable to read than most of the stale, academic work being suggested.

    For those of you who have read Nietzsche, I would recommend Georges Bataille (The Accursed Share is good) or Gilles Deleuze (sorry to name drop).
     
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    Heidegger is so hard to read that the German students who study him will often buy an English copy as well, just because they can't understand his German.

    that said he's one of the most important continental philosophers, much more so than derrida/etc.
     
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    also I agree with teger that "postmodernism" as a period is mostly passed (though continental philosophy is obviously still extremely relevant).

    computer is broken so, except for work, I've been spending a lot of time at the library. Anybody have any recommendations for shitty sci-fi or anything along those lines? I just finished A Fire Upon the Deep
     
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    As far as easily digestible and fun philosophy goes, nothing is better than Nietzsche. And every 20th century philosopher wrote footnotes on Nietzsche, whether they admitted to it or not. Although the Gay Science is my favorite from Nietzsche, I think The Genealogy of Morals is an easier read as it's more thesis driven and better structured over all. The Gay Science is less organized and reads like excerpts from the mind of a mad man. Excerpts from a brilliant mad man.

    I'm a big fan of Schopenhauer too, and given that this forum is concerned with aesthetic appreciations, no better place to start than Schopenhauer (actually Kant too, of course). I recently finished a thesis on Schopenhauer, even though Nietzsche's my fave. Schopenhauer's writing is the most readable of the german idealists and is a good introduction to existentialism for those interested. The World as Will and Representation is a good place to start. If you want a more thorough understanding of his doctrine's, you should probably read his dissertation too. But for a general understanding, you can just read the world as will and representation and be just fine.

    Camus is also brilliant and may be more accessible to those who haven't had much exposure to philosophy. I recommend the Plague, Myth of Sisyphus, and the Stranger (in that order).

    I think I'm going to try to read some Barthes this summer. And maybe reread Walter Benjamin's essays? We'll see. I should probably read heidegger but I just can't get into it.
     
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    Gibson's Neuromancer/The Sprawl Trilogy if you havent read it. I'm currently reading Virtual Light, which is the first book in The Bridge Trilogy. It's pretty much the same style without the substance of Neuromancer.
     
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    Along with Neuromancer, I would go for Snow Crash and The Diamond Age by Neil Stephenson. Cornerstones of Cyberpunk Sci Fi novels.
    John Brunner's Stand On Zanzibar is great if you find it interesting that when he wrote it in 1968, he pretty much predicted Twitter.
     
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    We by Yevgeny Zamyatin
     
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    this offends me. comparing snow crash to neuromancer is like comparing a kid's finger painting to the mona lisa. seriously though, snow crash is just 400 pages of some libertarian masturbatory fantasy. ugh.

    also gibson other than the sprawl (and really other than neuromancer) sucks. pattern recognition was.. ok, but still not very good.

    hrm good sci fi though. if you liked a fire upon the deep, vernor vinge has a bunch of other works in the same universe which are good.

    also philip k dick. you should read pretty much everything he wrote - his short stories especially are excellent.

    you should also check out stephen kings 'the running man' and 'the long walk.' just.. awesome.
     
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    I know I should like walter benjamin more than I do, but he's really my least favorite of that circle.

    does anyone here like karl korsch or jose ortega?
     
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    since Nietzsche, Schoppenhauer, and Camus are already recommended.. I highly suggest Dostoevsky.


    also mind/body debate is pretty interesting, even old shit.

    just avoid garbage like Berkeley/Leibniz
     
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  20. GraphicNovelty

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    was burning chrome any good?
     

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