1. And... we're back. You'll notice that all of your images are back as well, as are our beloved emoticons, including the infamous :foo: We have also worked with our server folks and developers to fix the issues that were slowing down the site.

    There is still work to be done - the images in existing sigs are not yet linked, for example, and we are working on a way to get the images to load faster - which will improve the performance of the site, especially on the pages with a ton of images, and we will continue to work diligently on that and keep you updated.

    Cheers,

    Fok on behalf of the entire Styleforum team
    Dismiss Notice

The SW&D Intellectual Masturbation Station

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Teger, May 14, 2012.

  1. Teger

    Teger Senior member

    Messages:
    21,933
    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2008
    Location:
    Richmond, VA
    this is the thread for all of us unemployed humanities majors to talk about gender construction in menswear and which volume of proust's 'remembrance of things past' is the best.
     
  2. Teger

    Teger Senior member

    Messages:
    21,933
    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2008
    Location:
    Richmond, VA
    fitting for the tread title - i've always wanted to write an analysis of porn video titles. something along the lines of 'an increasing number of porn titles suggest a direct communication with the actors and actresses, suggesting an increased agency within the medium.'
     
  3. thewho13

    thewho13 Senior member

    Messages:
    2,648
    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2010
    Location:
    Boscago
  4. Teger

    Teger Senior member

    Messages:
    21,933
    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2008
    Location:
    Richmond, VA
    “All significant concepts of the modern theory of the state are secularized theological concepts not only because of their historical development - in which they were transferred from theology to the theory of the state, whereby, for example, the omnipotent god became the omnipotent lawgiver - but also because of their systematic structure, the recognition of which is necessary for a sociological consideration of these concepts. The exception in jurisprudence is analogous to the miracle in theology. Only by being aware of this analogy can we appreciate the manner in which the philosophical ideas of the state developed in the last centuries.”
     
  5. thewho13

    thewho13 Senior member

    Messages:
    2,648
    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2010
    Location:
    Boscago
    I like that a lot—who is it?

    Also, it took me fucking forever to get my head around this graph (it's been a while since I've looked at it, so it's making me scratch my head again).

    [​IMG]
     
  6. A Fellow Linguist

    A Fellow Linguist Senior member

    Messages:
    2,342
    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2008
    I love this thread already.

    Here's a thing- lately I've been thinking about body image as an inherently objectifying concept / practice. Constructing a body image of myself is necessarily reflexive, and requires a stepping-out of my own being, so to speak. Me, outside of myself, seeing myself as object/other. I feel like this mode of engagement is only exacerbated by the way we tend to focus on appearance, to the point of disregarding anything else. Can we have a fashunz phenomenology? *** The Official Lived Experience of What I'm Wearing Today Thread ***

    also I am sleep deprived.
     
    3 people like this.
  7. spacepope

    spacepope Senior member

    Messages:
    1,645
    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2011
    Location:
    (◡‿◡✿)
    we off to a great start
     
  8. GraphicNovelty

    GraphicNovelty Senior member

    Messages:
    5,487
    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2009
    Location:
    NYC
    So I sort of intuitively grasp the post-structuralist kind of discourse, and while i've read foucault, most of my intellectual development has been sort of focused towards international economics and politics and that kind of stuff, with a smattering of more modernist social theory. + Rawls

    is there any easily-digestible stuff like that? I don't need to read the original sources. Just something to kindle while I'm on the subway that will expand my mind.
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2012
  9. A Fellow Linguist

    A Fellow Linguist Senior member

    Messages:
    2,342
    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2008
    Whoever was asking for philosophy to read for kicks earlier should look at Dennett. He does some fun thought experiment stuff that doesn't require much background knowledge.
     
  10. thewho13

    thewho13 Senior member

    Messages:
    2,648
    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2010
    Location:
    Boscago
    Dennett's great. Gives terrific lectures, and he has an incredible beard to boot. I wouldn't exactly place him in the same sort of discussion as the archetypical post-structuralists like Derrida, Foucault, Butler, Johnson, Zizek, etc.—but you're right to point out that he is a nice introduction to that sort of thinking.

    Edit: To be honest, I myself don't really know how to recommend a good "beginner" text that comes from the loose assemblage of works that one might hesitantly, ironically, call a post-structuralist canon. If you do want a great introduction to lit crit—and by extension, lit crit history—then check out Terry Eagleton's Introduction to Literary Theory. It won't make you grapple with the discursive writing style of any of the thinkers he discusses, but he gives a terrific treating of the shit dating all the way back to the Russian formalists to contemporary literary theory.
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2012
  11. GG Allin

    GG Allin Senior member

    Messages:
    201
    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2012
    I suggest you read up on the "Sokal Hoax" before bothering to read what is called post-structuralist theory.
     
    2 people like this.
  12. GraphicNovelty

    GraphicNovelty Senior member

    Messages:
    5,487
    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2009
    Location:
    NYC
    I heard about that. I guess more phenomeonology? I've always been interested in Heidegger but i have like 0 desire to actually read Heidegger.
     
  13. Teger

    Teger Senior member

    Messages:
    21,933
    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2008
    Location:
    Richmond, VA
    

    see I dunno about this, i think construction of self is internalized, although, to some extent, your self/internalized construction is shaped by your environment (society, etc), so i see the 'stepping out' as second hand. also i think that, inherently, you can't other yourself, as (for me at least) the key to viewing something as an 'other' is in viewing it as something distinct from how you define yourself, and you can't view things in that way without a sense of self.


    it's carl schmitt. very underrated IMO (because of the whole nazi thing)
     
  14. Teger

    Teger Senior member

    Messages:
    21,933
    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2008
    Location:
    Richmond, VA
    other good quotes i like:

    Freud:


     
    Last edited: May 14, 2012
  15. andrewsd

    andrewsd Senior member

    Messages:
    155
    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2011
    the talk about Tom Ford and the love Hemingway's getting got me thinking about the debate over Hemingway's potential misogyny. I haven't read enough (I think) to see any consistency to this, but it would stray me I think, especially after a semester of Woolf.
     
  16. A Fellow Linguist

    A Fellow Linguist Senior member

    Messages:
    2,342
    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2008
    

    I think we're pretty much in agreement here, though I'd go beyond "shaped" by environment. I was trying to point out the problem of dichotomous thinking with regards to self/body, or mind/body, if you want to put it that way. As typically constructed imo the problem is analogous to self/other, which is why I phrased it the way I did above. But as you've said, something seems intuitively wrong about othering yourself, which is why I suggested the phenomenological (maybe we can think of it as 'first-person' or unreflexive) mode of engagement.
     
  17. 1969

    1969 Senior member

    Messages:
    2,663
    Joined:
    May 23, 2007
    STFU and dance!
     
  18. Teger

    Teger Senior member

    Messages:
    21,933
    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2008
    Location:
    Richmond, VA
    

    I've never been a fan of the mind/body disconnect. maybe that's philosophy blasphemy.
     
  19. wogbog

    wogbog Senior member

    Messages:
    1,176
    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2009
    Location:
    west canada
    

    I've always had trouble reading philosophy outside of class... I don't get much out of just reading without the engagement of discussing and writing about the article. :(
     
  20. DLester

    DLester Senior member

    Messages:
    6,398
    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2008
    where does SF fit?

    [​IMG]
     
    1 person likes this.

Share This Page

Styleforum is proudly sponsored by