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The SW&D Intellectual Masturbation Station

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Teger, May 14, 2012.

  1. pickpackpockpuck

    pickpackpockpuck Well-Known Member

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    do people still take the mind/body debate seriously? I doubt any doctors would at least
     
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    i'd suggesting reading about it before making such assertions, I assume you think the dualist side is dumb, but they actually have some good arguments. Physicalism seems most logical to me, though.
     
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  3. pickpackpockpuck

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    Really? not trying to be a dick. I genuinely thought this way of looking at the mind was considered outdated. Maybe it's because I read a lot of neuroscience stuff (aimed at laymen, not like scientific journals or anything). At least in that community it seems the consensus is you can't separate one from the other.
     
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    look up the Marys room experiment, its a pretty good one. There is other stuff as well in books I read a while ago, so I forgot lol
     
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  5. pickpackpockpuck

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    oh, it's the qualia problem. interesting:

    http://www.philosophy-index.com/jackson/marys-room/

    you should check out V.S. Ramachandran on qualia. He's studied synesthetes (people whose senses are kinda wired together) and has some interesting ideas on this. http://planetparadigm.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/qualia-and-consciousness/

    EDIT: incidentally, some things you should check out that you'll probably get a kick out of: Phineas Gage; Cotard's syndrome; Capgras delusion. These all support the idea that the mind stems from the physicals properties of our brains.
     
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    yah, I knew the mary room experiment had rebuttals already, gonna check out that stuff, thanks
     
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    "All that was once directly lived has become mere representation" -seems appropriate for an internet forum

    (starts proper around 2:30)
     
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    there's still interesting fiction dealing with the mind-body problem, e.g. Robinson's Housekeeping, McCarthy's Remainder.

    It seems like (at least in literature) the argument for dualism is more grounded; the idea being that art explains the mind in a way that science cannot.
     
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    Some fairly recent SF recommendations: Ian Macdonald - Brazyl, River of Gods; Adam Roberts - New Model Army; Paolo Bacigalupi - The Wind-Up Girl; Tricia Sullivan - Lightborn...

    I'm also partial to a bit of urban fantasy (or 'the new weird' if you like trite 'movement' descriptions) like China Mieville - anything really, but start with Perdido Street Station or The City and the City if you want something less SF and more along the lines of the mid-century European experiemental fiction of Calvino et al.

    Oh, and Teger, totally with you on PKD, but not on dismissing William Gibson's post-Sprawl Trilogy work. Also agree that Snow Crash is massively overrated. The Diamond Age is good though, and his most recent work, Anathem, is fun.

    Other classic stuff - yes, absolutely, John Brunner, needs to be much more widely appreciated. In fact, read anything and everything on the SF Masterworks list...
     
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    Do people still take doctors seriously?
     
  11. pickpackpockpuck

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    Yes, I think a lot of people still take doctors seriously, especially if they have any health problems.
     
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    anyone read house of leaves? its perfect pomo jerkoff material
     
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    Yeah, that Masterworks list is fantastic. I just got through the Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny which is number 7 on that list.
    The mixture of Hindu-Buddhist dogma with a modern western world just scratched a inch i never thought i had, lots of fun! I also loved how he sort of uses Buddhism as a religious weapon.
     
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    So, I hope you don't me derailing this slightly with a question: has anybody read "The language of fashion" by Roland Barthes? Is it interesting/insightful? Is it accessible to some with a minimal background continental philosophy or post-structuralism?
     
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    i dont think you can derail this thread.

    my thought for the day: im sitting at my job watching all of our staff getting trained in 'diversity' and the people doing the training gave probably the worst explanation of discrimination and stereotypes ive ever heard.
     
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    Does anyone else ever wish they had synesthesia?
     
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    after reading so much about it I really do wonder what it's like. In Speak, Memory Nabokov does a good job of describing his. there are some people who theorize that synesthesia is an overactive version of the same process that allows us to form and understand metaphors. not sure I totally buy that, but it's fun to think about.
     
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    It is a structuralist work and quite a tedious read, if you want to read Barthes going from structuralism to post-structuralism or at least an aknowledgment of subjectivity get S/Z.
     
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    I have a friend that has auditory-visual synesthesia one example he gives of this is that when someone rings his doorbell he sees something like yellow lightning. Relating to the mary's room experiment, he did not discover his synesthesia until he was 12-13 years old until then he thought that everyone experienced the world same him, without thinking does everyone else see yellow lightning everytime a doorbell rings. In a way he is like mary in that his perception of the world is different than 99% of people yet through dialogue he has an understanding of how everyone else experiences the world.
     
  20. pickpackpockpuck

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    eh, video kinda sucks actually. this is more relevant:

    http://www.amnh.org/news/2011/06/3972/

    The Bouba and Kiki example is interesting because it seems that people associate Kiki with the "sharp" image and Bouba with the "round, soft" image regardless of their culture, language, age, whatever, suggesting something inherent to the brain and not learned.
     
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