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[Sammm]

this one is particularly hard to gauge. 4" sounds absurdly long for any collar, but with a button-down, it all depends on the roll, which is going to primarily be affected by the button placement, but also will change after the shirt is given its first wash and the collar softens up a bit. studio shots of a freshly cut shirt aren't going to give the full picture.

Yes. Post shrinkage, the Soft Ivy BD is closer to 3.25" than the initial 3.5", so I imagine the Roma to end up around 3.75"...

 

[FlyingHorker]

The collar looks anything but "soft" on the website, the shirt looks fused.

The only other picture I could find posted by a user wasn't exactly convincing either. The roll/collar looked way too stiff and erect.

 

[StanleyVanBuren]

I haven't seen a good picture of it yet.

We need to see it on a guy with an average build who has washed and worn it a few times and has decent photography skills.

 

[bantone]

Has anyone tried their Sports Jackets? Been eying this one!

Waverly Brown Gun Check Wool Jacket

An essential autumn piece. This beautifully textured blend of wool, cotton, and linen offers both weight and breathability that are ideal during the fall, and the classic brown gun

propercloth.com

 

[DcDrape]

Has anyone tried their Sports Jackets? Been eying this one!

Waverly Brown Gun Check Wool Jacket

An essential autumn piece. This beautifully textured blend of wool, cotton, and linen offers both weight and breathability that are ideal during the fall, and the classic brown gun

propercloth.com

I just got two sports jackets from them, the Waverly construction brown tweed herringbone and a Bedford construction dark green herringbone.

my initial response is that they are constructed very well. If you feel confident in you sizing numbers I think these offer a great sport jacket for the money. The Waverly construction is fully unstructured so no canvassing. I was a little weary of this at first but after receiving the jackets, the website is right that it isn't totally necessary with this heavier fabric. I feel like mine looks much better with jeans than it does tailored trousers but if you wore a thicker flannel, it would work just fine.

 

[ericgereghty]

1. Unless the Soft Roma is entirely different than all of PC's other "soft" collars, there is absolutely no way it's going to look or feel fused, save for (perhaps) with the heaviest of heavy duty WR fabrics...which nobody should be getting. I can't speak to the button placement, which would, if applicable, strike me as the more realistic concern. I have soft collars (Milano, Roma Cutaway, and President Cutaway) ranging from 100% linens to the heavy oxfords, and they are all plenty malleable and soft.
2. Speaking of collars, I'm really hoping the '21 collar "refinements" include beefing up the Soft President Cutaway a bit. I think a slightly more imposing SPC would comfortably slot in behind the Soft Milano in my hierarchy if they did.

 

[FlyingHorker]

1. Unless the Soft Roma is entirely different than all of PC's other "soft" collars, there is absolutely no way it's going to look or feel fused, save for (perhaps) with the heaviest of heavy duty WR fabrics...which nobody should be getting. I can't speak to the button placement, which would, if applicable, strike me as the more realistic concern. I have soft collars (Milano, Roma Cutaway, and President Cutaway) ranging from 100% linens to the heavy oxfords, and they are all plenty malleable and soft.
2. Speaking of collars, I'm really hoping the '21 collar "refinements" include beefing up the Soft President Cutaway a bit. I think a slightly more imposing SPC would comfortably slot in behind the Soft Milano in my hierarchy if they did.

@roostertailedcow posted pictures a while ago.

Even if not fused, the collar simply looks too stiff.

 

[ericgereghty]

We're mostly talking opinion here, so I can't say you're wrong, but I just can't for the life of me get what's forming that opinion, if you have experience with (and presumably deem acceptably soft) other PC soft collars. I can't imagine PC would opt to make this particular collar with substantively different construction.
If PC's other soft collars are too stiff for your liking, then the POV is perfectly understandable.

 

[FlyingHorker]

We're mostly talking opinion here, so I can't say you're wrong, but I just can't for the life of me get what's forming that opinion, if you have experience with (and presumably deem acceptably soft) other PC soft collars. I can't imagine PC would opt to make this particular collar with substantively different construction.
If PC's other soft collars are too stiff for your liking, then the POV is perfectly understandable.

Hopefully this will clarify:

I don't doubt the collar is soft. All my collars are "soft" from PC, and actually look and feel soft as well in terms of construction.

However, this LOOKS stiff. I've never seen such a stiff looking roll on a BD collar before, does that make sense?

 

[StanleyVanBuren]

yeah no one is doubting how it should look, we've just yet to see a photo that proves it and the photos we do have either indicate otherwise or are inconclusive

 

[cyclemanic]

Was very close to going with the Soft Roma BD on my latest order, but I too wasn't convinced enough with what we've seen so far to drop the cash for it.

@Seph long shot, but given the current discussion, any chance you or a colleague has the Soft Roma BD collar on a shirt that has been washed a few times and can provide photos? Perhaps even the one used on the mannequin for the photoshoot?

 

[Sammm]

Was very close to going with the Soft Roma BD on my latest order, but I too wasn't convinced enough with what we've seen so far to drop the cash for it.

@Seph long shot, but given the current discussion, any chance you or a colleague has the Soft Roma BD collar on a shirt that has been washed a few times and can provide photos? Perhaps even the one used on the mannequin for the photoshoot?

Same here, I almost ordered it twice but went with the safe Ivy BD both times because it’s hard to get a clear image of the Roma BD.

 

[Seph]

The interlining and collar construction on the Soft Roma is exactly the same as it is on Soft President and Soft Ivy Button down. Heavier fabrics will cause a soft collar to look stiffer - I think that might be contributing to the confusion.

 

[ronscuba]

Does Proper Cloth ever restock items from their look book/collections ? Many of the items I want are listed as sold out.

And speaking of, I think they do a very good job with the look book photo shoots. Gives me ideas on outfits and I seem to always order an item from the collection.

 

[Sammm]

Does Proper Cloth ever restock items from their look book/collections ? Many of the items I want are listed as sold out.

And speaking of, I think they do a very good job with the look book photo shoots. Gives me ideas on outfits and I seem to always order an item from the collection.

It’s funny with the lookbooks. I’m a happy PC customer but the lookbooks don’t speak to me at all. Everything is styled in the exact same MOR slim-fit aesthetic. Of course that appeals to some people, but I’d say the whole point of an MTM shirt company is that it can appeal to nearly all guys. A shirt is probably the most versatile item in a man’s wardrobe, so to me it would be a no-brainer to also show them worn with streetwear, with milsurp, vintage, or in very directional oversized looks. PC clearly has a different vision, but I’d think you can only widen your reach if you don’t only propagate a single aesthetic.