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HOF: What Are You Wearing Right Now - Part III

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr.K, Mar 25, 2011.

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  1. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Jewfro Dubiously Honored

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    I guess to me the colors, or lack thereof, make it feel very stark and severe for an informal/daytime situation, but the cut and untucked shirt make it too casual for a more formal situation.

    That aside, purely on an aesthetic basis, I think what's getting me is the untucked shirt. What kind of fabric is it? Usually shirtings don't really drape in curtain-y kind of way that are conducive to the "voluminous' kind of fit you're talking about. The fabric of the pants and jacket work better in this regard. I'm probably not articulating this well at all, but every time I come to some appreciation of the fabric and fit of the jacket and pants, the shirt makes the whole thing look sloppy instead of relaxed and reminds me of why I didn't like the photo when I first saw it.
     


  2. F. Corbera

    F. Corbera Senior member

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    Ah. Well, that is very thoughtful and I appreciate what you are saying.

    I really have no idea what the MC "look" is. But, to the extent that it exists (and if it does not exist, to the extent that it refers to reality), it really is not like the type of thing that more and more dominates the fascination or attention of the guys in the SW&D forum.

    I really have no idea what the SW&D "look" is. But, to the extent that it exists (and if it does not exist, to the extent that it refers to reality), it seems to reflect the notion that clothes for men consist of multiple and equally valid costumes. One of these costumes is the MC "look." There are other costumes as well. Ninja. Bear. Yoji. Yoshi. Harajuku. Within each, some expressions are optimal and many are awful, and there is maneuvering for popularity. Many costumes are literally invented by particular individuals (designers? bloggers?), some of whom make their living merchandizing (tweeting?) their concept to mass buyers (followers?), and then replacement concepts if they are lucky enough to make a continuous living at it.

    The big difference is that many who are active in the MC forum do not have this perpective. Their particular viewpoint is to seek an unbroken connection to the past through the specific avenue of tailored clothes. For some (a diminishing subset), it is a simple daily requirement of professional and social life...to dress as their father, grandfather, and so on among other men who also dress the same way. For some, it is an aesthetic decision to recover and preserve old things that are more beautiful than new things. For yet others, it is a form of nostalgia bound up in concepts of society and culture. It can be one, two or all three. But common among all three reasons is a rejection of equal contextual validity of every conceivable form of design. So, some MC dudes get mad when someone claims equality with the patrimony of the West.

    Frankly, when it comes to mens clothes, we long ago passed the moment of shock when truly new things have been done. This is why pretty much everything in SW&D looks derivative or recycled. And I feel free to apply those terms because outside of the festishistic Japanese "American workwear" revival moment of a few years ago (which I personally love and wear), the looks are both dated and yet presume the pretense of something fresh.

    That sin, at least, is not committed in the MC forum, for all its faults. There is never the pretense of recycling something old as new, since everything is old anyway.

    How's that?
     
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  3. Superfluous

    Superfluous Senior member

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    No, don't let them suppress your youthful desires.
     


  4. rob

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    You are equal parts bright and insightful. And that's after two too many beers.

    Cheers, Bill. Always a pleasure.

    Rob
     


  5. AndroFan

    AndroFan Senior member

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    FUCK EM

    just kidding, those guys do god's work.

     
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  6. Digmenow

    Digmenow Senior member

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    So, no?

    Wait. Yes?

    Maybe?


    Back to no...except...

    sigh.
     


  7. UrbanComposition

    UrbanComposition Senior member

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    Shah, when I first saw your fit, I thought of Robert Smith circa 1987. Happy memories enveloped me, and I again imagined I was a cooler Ducky.

    Take that as you wish.
     


  8. Liam O

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    I think its dangerous to accuse anyone who doesn't share your aesthetic preferences, or deem all fits acceptable just because of the brands they come from, tasteless. taste is subjective, and while taste/tasteless is determined by connoisseur status or consensus (think how most of us, MC or SWD look to a "normal" person) it really is just as valid to say an orange jumpsuit looks as good as a tom ford suit if the person wearing it thinks so, just not everyone will agree.

    FWIW though, I like the fit, and I see what you're going for, although my pasty caucasian ass would look like a total clown in it. much like most other clothing.



    MY BAD


    The fuck does "pretentious" mean? Drop the SAT words, college boy ;)



    Its okay spoo, you look good in C(ish)BD.



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  9. the shah

    the shah Persian Bro #2 and enabler-in-chief

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    Liam O - I attempted to clarify the very same confusion just a few posts above, for what it's worth. I'll refrain from repeating myself.


    This might, though pointing to some obvious realities often overlooked, be one of the best remarks I've read on SF re: clothing/aesthetic.

    In fact, the idea of "an aesthetic decision to recover and preserve old things that are more beautiful than new things" is much closer to my heart as an antiquarian of sorts. Perhaps I go back farther than your description implies, as I mentioned before the 19th century peasant aesthetic for whatever reason seems quite agreeable for me and as such I am fond of [admitted] recreations such as Paul Harnden tweeds and Geoffrey B Small sack suits, etc. Nothing pretending to be new

    I do think some of this nostalgia is perhaps based on ~1950s perception of the successful white male which seems a bit restrictive and possibly forced, that might just be my misperception, but again, this was fantastic. If you don't mind, I'd like to share bits and pieces of your opinion here.

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    Actually this is quite true, and I had considered tucking it. In fact I think I had originally tucked but decided against it. The shirt is cotton, slight sheen to it. It's also longer in the front.

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    worn with Ann D wool trousers and Damir boots that I no longer own, not as comfortable as I'd have liked.

    * * *

    In conclusion, and hopefully now we can move to the next chapter, as I echoed earlier in a SW&D thread, there are plenty in MC I enjoy having discussions with (to which I can now add several more names!), plenty that are well-versed in style, fabrics (very important!), fit (whatever this might entail), etc. some have authored books on the mater, and otherwise quite successful/intelligent people. As someone pointed out, the rule-bound folks are unfortunately louder (not unlike the plethora to be found in SWD recommending geller/slimming/gats/denim and what have you to anyone with no regard to personal preference, desired outcomes, direction, body type, ...) and this seems especially true now that many folks have gone on to other SFrealms, though this bit is cyclical and there will be new generations of well-refined on both ends of this place.
     
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  10. Ianiceman

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    Diggsy check out Pierce Brosnan as Bond in Goldeneye the scenes on the Mantocore yacht early in the film in Monte Carlo. Navy DB, French blue shirt, light tan strides and brown shoes. Can't remember the PS but he was looking good. You could pull his off and it's a bit more colourful than a white or business blue shirt.
     


  11. Liam O

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    Shah-Sorry, didn't make it to the end, thought I had. Wasn't meant as an attack in either case.
     


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    Good post.
     


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