HOF: What Are You Wearing Right Now - Part III

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr.K, Mar 25, 2011.

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  1. clarinetplayer

    clarinetplayer Senior member

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    Citan1145 wrote: "looks pretty good, i sense a distinct lack of maize.."

    In response.... Actually, Michigan's colors are "azure blue", not "navy", and maize. So, my tie is half correct! What you are not seeing are the striped Maize 'n Blue socks that I am wearing shamelessly.
     


  2. Holdfast

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    Tue & Thurs were less-than-exclamatory days, I take it. :p

    Srsly tho', I like Sun's look best out of these.

    I really like this; the hat is a nice touch. Stick around.

    I actually liked shah's outfit, but the best thing about its presence in the thread is that someone finally wrote out this undercurrent explicitly.

    I happen to fall outside of the last paragraph's "many".

    For me, a moderately conservative tailored approach to menswear is simply the mode of dressing in which I am personally most comfortable in and meets my life's needs. Taken societally, of course you are undeniably correct that if you take any random person and any random situation, and put them together, a traditional menswear aesthetic is more likely to have contextual validity than any other. I think that's pretty much a tautological truism, as it represents the prevalent wider culture.

    However, we don't exist as random people and random situations, but rather as individual's leading individual lives. As such, the best judge of individual contextual validity in a specific setting is theoretically the individual getting dressed, assuming they have adequate personal insight into their psyche and their lifestyle (this is not always a given, based on some posters/threads in MC, admittedly). Also, context is not a static external pressure brought about by an event/society, but rather a dynamic that is created between an individual & those he interacts with. In that sense, I have more intellectual sympathy with the concept that menswear is actually a series of costumes, some of which happen to mesh better than others with an individual's personality/lifestyle.

    Some of those costumes happen to also have greater cultural and societal resonances than others; the ones that have been about longest and are most associated with the existing establishment. That's not the same thing as saying that they are not costumes.

    Agreed. It's always stimulating to have a broad exchange of concepts.






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    Nice tie! May I ask what it is?
     
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    If you're going to use the Liam method of cleaning, you have to push the games further under the couch.

    Also, sell me your pants.
     


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    Bit of a casual vibe today - a touch of green for tomorrow.

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    I think this is all most excellent, apart from the pocket square(s?) which just seem(s) to be trying to leave earth orbit...
     


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    First time wearing a jacket for a job- glad it's a cooler day in DC.
     


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    "I just can't get to it, TB. Sorry."

    Thanks SF (a new me)
    "how about a slimmer cut trousers? as with Parker, I like it better sans tie.Overall, nice clean look"

    Parker
    "Would like even better without the tie. But looks fresh-n-clean."

    the shah
    "aside from footwear this is quite a nice spring outfit. at least wear no-show socks ..."

    acecow
    "It's the shoes, acrid. Not feeling the shoes."

    acridsheep
    "Not feelin' this one, TB, and not entirely sure why. I love all the elements."



    I greatly appreciate the above critiques, gentlemen, but they all appeared in the "Thumbs-Up" box of my latest fit post. I suggest that we reserve the Thumbs-Up box for quick nods to looks we like but post our critiques out in the main thread where we can discuss them more easily.
     


  11. F. Corbera

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    To think of contemporary menswear as set of differing genres of costume of which classic tailored dress is now but one does not refute (or if you prefer, remains completely consonant with) my observations on what made some of the dudes here react in a charged way to Persion Bro #2's, uhm, floppywear.

    A sophisticated practioner of the costume philosophy of clothes will protect his position by admitting that he might prefer one costume to another, but will also insist that all costumes no matter how divergent from his must be equally valid to someone, somewhere. In reality, nearly everyone accepts this premise anyway: the more distant the time (further into history) and place (farther from you); the wider the group of men who will relent that variety is inevitable.

    I remain comfortable saying, however, that in our time, in our place (I will not define either since it is unncessary), the man who wears tailored clothes does so for one of three reasons that I outlined earlier. All have to do with a connection to the past. When it comes to tailored dress, that past is rather monolithic despite all the years of erosion and all the nuances (minutiae?) that trouble the brow of the online menswear protagonist. Dudes got angry at Shah because their concept of the past frees them from the rootless and relativistic aesthetic that the costume philosophy necessarily demands. In other words, no, not every costume is equally valid.

    You say that you are an adherant to the costume philosphy, but I don't think that you are. When you say that wearing tailored clothes makes you "personally most comfortable," my guess is that you might just fall into one, two or all three of the categories that I described.

    The costume philosophy is pretty good. The problem with it today, I will repeat, is that all the costumes are derivative of the past but only a few recognize or admit it. (Much the same is true today in the arts.) In the context of RTW merchandizing of clothes, this lack of self-awareness leads to an annoying presumption of novelty or unique discovery masking a lack of talent in both concept and execution.

    So, it's just plain ugly.
     
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    I'm wearing a dress right now.
     


  13. the shah

    the shah Persian Bro #2 and enabler-in-chief

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    you've said this several times now, i don't think it's true. yeah, fresh compared to yesterday's trend maybe, fashion is cyclical etc. etc. i really don't think anybody denies this ...
     


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    Vox, very eloquently stated. I bow to you once again with respect.

    I was thinking about this argument yesterday and 3 points came to mind. Both are important to me as the distinction I draw between MC and SW&D philosophies.

    1. MC doesn't care about brands as long as the piece looks good. Of course, we will drool over RLPL, because it mostly looks great on everyone, but we will equally respect and adore a $5 thrifted sport coat if it fits well and is harmonious with the rest of the outfit. SW&D, on the other hand, pays a lot of attention to brands and often defines the "awesomeness" of an outfit based on the maker.

    2. I have a lot of acquaintances in various social circles and nobody dresses like Mr. Shah or the other extreme SW&D posters. Most people wear some ill-fitting version of the MC casual wear sprinkled with some hipster or office plankton elements, depending on the setting. This leads me to believe that MC-version of toned down casual wear is more socially acceptable than the extreme examples in SW&D.

    3. My whole life, be it professional, art, cooking or clothing has led me to believe that there is a certain path from novice to amateur to expert, and that path is always from more complexity to less. Sublime subtlety seems to be the most difficult to achieve. A couple simple examples from everyday life:
    a) cooking: beginners want to mix in more stuff, more spices, more flavors. As they become more experienced, they focus on combining a few high-quality ingredients to truly appreciate their taste.
    b) photography: beginners want more photoshop, more colors or black and white, retro styling, hdr, etc. Most professional take a few shots and mostly leave them unedited, because true beauty and talent is in simplicity, not covering up a lack of originality and skill with filters and airbrushing.

    To me, MC represents a natural progression from SW&D. From brands to appreciating a certain aesthetic. From many layers, stacking, etc. to simple lines and elegant designs. From rebelling against society and desperately trying to be original to becoming one with it, but a step above everyone else.
     
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