Do you object to products from high-end clothing brands that are Made in China?

Originally Posted by tsaltzma

Click to expand...

You know, it's funny you mention that. I thought the same thing, until I saw this data from the United Nations. Apparently the US still leads all nations in manufacturing, with China coming in second.

Here is an investment/economics blog that breaks it down, so you don't have to sort through all the data.

http://investing.curiouscatblog.net/...tries-in-2008/

If you want to see the numbers directly from the UN, there is a link provided.

Yes, but much of that US manufacture isn't necessarily something many here would buy (ie. much of that large number is military based).

Let us not scapegoat China, or any other 'Third World' country.
Corporate Out-sourcing should be at the very heart of the matter here.
The great 'sell-out' by so many companies has cost countless numbers of jobs.
Those jobs lost domestically to out-sourcing, will never be re-gained, ever.
Smaller companies/manufacturers have had to close their doors as well because they cannot compete with the larger companies that out-source and offer lower prices (and often inferior goods).
Companies that out-source should be found guilty of treason, and their elect punished accordingly.
The consequences of out-sourcing will be the eradication of the middle class in all 'first world' countries. Mark my words.
We are about to enter into global slavery, so fasten your 'Made in China' seatbelts, and enjoy the ride.

A lot that needed to be highlighted has been highlighted already... but just my thoughts.

People will inevitably focus on the negative aspects of anything, so it's obvious years of low-quality goods and scandal has tarnished China's reputation. But going further, I don't think it's necessarily in the mentality of Chinese people to create something of the highest quality cause after all this is always mostly business first, passion second (although the passion of many Chinese SEEMS to be making money). Look at the way things work in China/HK, it's about how much money and how fast.

China does have the technological means to put together something of high-quality... yet you really need to hold their hand and guide them each step of the way... and even explain the reasoning behind this increased quality. Many Japanese companies are now starting to set up shop in China and this bodes well for everybody, cheaper costs with the fundamental understanding of quality that has become synonymous with Japanese products.

I object based on price. It's just a fact that wages are much lower so why should I pay a premium for an item. Obviously the company's gotta make a buck, but it gets to a point. But then again, if people are willing to pay, they will continue their outsourced practices.

Originally Posted by Man Of Lint

Click to expand...

Let us not scapegoat China, or any other 'Third World' country.
Corporate Out-sourcing should be at the very heart of the matter here.
The great 'sell-out' by so many companies has cost countless numbers of jobs.
Those jobs lost domestically to out-sourcing, will never be re-gained, ever.
Smaller companies/manufacturers have had to close their doors as well because they cannot compete with the larger companies that out-source and offer lower prices (and often inferior goods).
Companies that out-source should be found guilty of treason, and their elect punished accordingly.
The consequences of out-sourcing will be the eradication of the middle class in all 'first world' countries. Mark my words.
We are about to enter into global slavery, so fasten your 'Made in China' seatbelts, and enjoy the ride.

You know, a government can actually erect trade barriers if it wants to make outsourcing illegal. It hasn't worked out so well for those that have tried, though.

I think you are trying to blame big business for consumer behavior. Consumers demand cheap goods and businesses deliver what consumers are asking for -- it's not some evil plot or conspiracy. If consumers demanded better quality and were willing to pay for it, that's what business would deliver. But consumer's don't--they focus on cost above all else, and so business deliver cheap crap.

Clothe turn into politics, oh well...

Originally Posted by Night Owl

Click to expand...

these china threads are a powder keg because half the people on this forum are


CHINESE -_-

no rearry, and they dont like peoples saying **** about chinar, ROL

My viwwage is so mad at you wite now

^ I didn't realize elmer fudd was chinese

Originally Posted by East Oakland

Click to expand...

You know, a government can actually erect trade barriers if it wants to make outsourcing illegal. It hasn't worked out so well for those that have tried, though.

I think you are trying to blame big business for consumer behavior. Consumers demand cheap goods and businesses deliver what consumers are asking for -- it's not some evil plot or conspiracy. If consumers demanded better quality and were willing to pay for it, that's what business would deliver. But consumer's don't--they focus on cost above all else, and so business deliver cheap crap.

Well said. People often blame big business or the government for every social ill but they really need to look at themselves and their behaviors.

They can't jump.

Originally Posted by baseball_guy

Click to expand...

This paragraph reminds me of Milo from Catch-22.

God how I longed to kill Milo my with bare hands.

Clothing made in china gives me a skin rash.

i hate to ruffle some of the republican feathers here, but the idea that it's somehow freedom of choice by the consumer is bs. there is a definite correlation between consumer behavior and corporate strategy, but the search for profitability goes beyond the consumer. Clearly the likes of Walmart have been big drivers in the exodus of manufacturing from the US, but Walmart has also been a big player in driving smaller competitors into bankruptcy. So for every small business you lose, which employs people at a livable wage, you get a Walmart, which pays people minimum wage and does not offer a long term viable alternative. Also let's keep in mind that it isn't just China's abundance of labor, but also it's monetary policy, which directly ********** American worker. It doesn't matter what you do when your competitors rigs the game, because pegging their currency to the dollar is going to make it impossible for American labor to compete.

To get back to the thread though, I think the issue as many have stated is with the idea that you are purchasing a luxury good, which at least in theory should bring with it a certain cache and that's something that China at least at this point in history does not have. Nothing wrong with profit, but don't sell me on an already weak premise, the need to pay up for luxury goods, while simultaneously cutting corners in your production practices to fatten your bottom line.

If presented with the made in China and made in Italy RLPL cashmere sweaters side-by-side with tags removed, I doubt I could tell them apart.