yea ive handled some hermes and also seen leather from seraphim, who iirc supplies hermes with their leather. it's beautiful - probably the best ive ever seen, but of course it's not worth what it costs. kronik has a seraphim leather jacket lined w/ i think.. ermine? just.. ridiculous. yeah that is my point... fwiw, these new jackets I've been putting out this week have this really expensive air about them, I planned them to look good in my head obviously, but they're even richer looking in person. I am kind of surprised. This quilt DR looks really expensive in real life, you'd get people coming up to touch it, I think. The quilt details on the shoulder and the inside of the arms are really something. The band collar DR will also look nuts.