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Some of the boots didn't even have real welting :hide:
 

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why would you want to compare sl to vass, if you want boring office shoes to flaunt, then go buy them. i don't mean that in a mean way, but let's face it, no one's wearing wyatt boots and an L01 to the boardroom. except maybe me and therattler.

if "quality" means "an old white guy making stuff especially for me because i need to feel powerful" then you'll never find what you're looking for here. if on the other hand quality means "something perfectly designed for people who grew up never wanting to be the first kind of person" then you might.

quality isn't necessarily subjective, but the qualities that we prize in sl are often exactly the opposite of those prized in say the alden thread. i could care less if some old fart is hand stitching my boots. quality for me is design, intention, purity, rebellion, freedom from these stifling values of middle managers and their office shoes which together, if done correctly, should add up to a big **** you factor to people that think quality is the old fart hand stitching boots, whether's he mr vass or suicidal goth ninja poell or whomever. that's the luxury of not giving a ****, which is the best kind of luxury, comfort, effortlessness, really.

so i think maybe you need to step back and think, reflect, mostly we like this stuff because it does all of that, not really so we can flaunt it.

maybe you get my drift, maybe not.

man the new vaccarello designs rolling in here and there are bad.
 
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why would you want to compare sl to vass, if you want boring office shoes to flaunt, then go buy them. i don't mean that in a mean way, but let's face it, no one's wearing wyatt boots and an L01 to the boardroom. except maybe me and therattler.

if "quality" means "an old white guy making stuff especially for me because i need to feel powerful" then you'll never find what you're looking for here. if on the other hand quality means "something perfectly designed for people who grew up never wanting to be the first kind of person" then you might.

quality isn't necessarily subjective, but the qualities that we prize in sl are often exactly the opposite of those prized in say the alden thread. i could care less if some old fart is hand stitching my boots. quality for me is design, intention, purity, rebellion, freedom from these stifling values of middle managers and their office shoes which together, if done correctly, should add up to a big **** you factor to people that think quality is the old fart hand stitching boots, whether's he mr vass or suicidal goth ninja poell or whomever. that's the luxury of not giving a ****, which is the best kind of luxury, comfort, effortlessness, really.

so i think maybe you need to step back and think, reflect, mostly we like this stuff because it does all of that, not really so we can flaunt it.

maybe you get my drift, maybe not.

man the new vaccarello designs rolling in here and there are bad.
I'd imagine when most people talk about quality of clothing they're talking about the quality of material and construction-- as in a well-made. Aging well and lasting long. The things you list could be considered qualities as in features and attributes, but not quality as in caliber of construction (which can be achieved without the specific scenario of an old white guy hand stitching something). You can be a rebel while not wanting to buy cheap and poorly made things (and I personally think Saint Laurent does generally have a focus on quality).
 

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Material and construction in most fashion items is pretty ****. That's ok - I would hope that most buy while knowing this. If they pass a minimum threshold and I truly like the item I'll buy. YMMV.
 

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Well I just bought something on grailed - a classic black blazer. We'll see how it turns out. I like the wyatt boots and might get those later.

I've been looking for a while for a black sportcoat to wear with jeans and chelseas on a night out. I have bespoke suits and sportcoats and while they look great, they don't achieve the super slim look I want when I wear jeans. And I don't want to go to one of those tailors to make something, because they are "old" guys and don't get it - armholes too low, too much shoulder padding, not enough waist suppression, etc.

@neonrider Not sure if you were directing your angst to me...where did I compare Vass to SLP? I asked a basic question. What's the quality like? I told you what I'm used to buying, and that I like the look of SLP for streetwear.
 
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Material and construction in most fashion items is pretty ****.
True. I should have specified Saint Laurent seems to care more about quality compared to other fashion brands, though some would maybe consider even that a stretch. Let's just say there's room for them to care less.
 
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@somethingfishy what's wrong with wearing the same biker jacket in 10 years
Not everybody is just going to trend hop
 

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why would you want to compare sl to vass, if you want boring office shoes to flaunt, then go buy them. i don't mean that in a mean way, but let's face it, no one's wearing wyatt boots and an L01 to the boardroom. except maybe me and therattler.

if "quality" means "an old white guy making stuff especially for me because i need to feel powerful" then you'll never find what you're looking for here. if on the other hand quality means "something perfectly designed for people who grew up never wanting to be the first kind of person" then you might.

quality isn't necessarily subjective, but the qualities that we prize in sl are often exactly the opposite of those prized in say the alden thread. i could care less if some old fart is hand stitching my boots. quality for me is design, intention, purity, rebellion, freedom from these stifling values of middle managers and their office shoes which together, if done correctly, should add up to a big **** you factor to people that think quality is the old fart hand stitching boots, whether's he mr vass or suicidal goth ninja poell or whomever. that's the luxury of not giving a ****, which is the best kind of luxury, comfort, effortlessness, really.

so i think maybe you need to step back and think, reflect, mostly we like this stuff because it does all of that, not really so we can flaunt it.

maybe you get my drift, maybe not.

man the new vaccarello designs rolling in here and there are bad.

this. often people confuse quality with utility around here. I'm with neon, the qualities that i value in SLP are those he mentioned. utility, to a much lesser degree. if you want a biker thats going to last forever you don't get a luxury lambskin l01 to wear everyday. it will inevitably wear out, especially because it is such a slim cut it'll wear out in the arm pits etc. similarly w/r/t boots. the luxury materials and design come at a cost to utility. but this stuff isn't made for everyone.

those distressed wyatts are terrible. @neonrider can you elaborate on the vaccarello items you've seen?
 
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