OFFICIAL Game of Thrones Thread

[scurvyfreedman]



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Hands of Gold are always cold, but a woman's hands are warm.

The Tyrion/Shae relationship is much more complicated in the books than on the show - like most else.

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Shae lives in a manse well outside of Red Keep and Maegor's Holdfast for much of the story. Varys takes Tyrion through some secret passage to exit the Red Keep and underground so any Cersei tails are lost before they meet to have relations. It's only later that she's brought into Sansa's service. During one of their trips to the manse, Varys recalls another Lord Hand who was fond of whores. Tyrion leaves it alone, but can't figure out who- not Ned and not old Jon Arryn. Had to have been one during Mad King Aerys. There were a few- Tywin for 18 years, a pyromancer at the very end, Jon Connington (who is incidentally gay) before he let Robert escape during the Battle of the Bells… On another visit, Shae is hanging out with a bard, Symion Star Eyes. Symion sings a little tale of a dwarf in love with a whore… the punch line is "for hands of gold are always cold, but a woman's hands are warm." Hands of gold are the gold hands on the necklace worn by the Hand of the King. It's not a necklace worn on the show, however Tyrion did give Shae a gold necklace in Season 2. Me thinks she'll be wearing again soon. But, I won' t spoil that for you.

Anyway, Symion asks to sing at Joffrey's wedding in exchange for forgetting his song, rather than singing it for Lord Tywin. Bronn kills him for Tyrion.

 

[Joffrey]



LF also threw the necklace down to the Fools peddle boat. Guess Pycelle found or was informed of the boat.

It's not that hard to imagine the boat was eventually discovered, probably when the mist lifted.

 

[Joffrey]



The iron bank scene from the show makes no sense. What has changed since the bankers decided to back the Lannisters on day one? Not a lick, except that they won the war and made alliances to secure power. Indeed, with Joffrey dead it seems more likely that they'd get paid back, not less.

Really? Tommen is just as reliable as Tywin?

 

[Ataturk]

No, but Tommen is way the hell more likely to repay a debt than Joffrey would have been.

The iron bank thing in the books makes sense, because it happens later and for different reasons. In the show it's inexplicable.

 

[in stitches]

why does everything have to be explicable?

 

[NorCal]



can. not. wait.

loved that episode.

moffat as the iron bank dude was phenomenal. that whole exchange was excellent.

tyrion is perfect in his role in every way.

dragon story is getting mad old tho. i feel like they only include it so as not to entirely exclude it.

Lol, now imagine feeling this way for like three books and you'll understand the Queen of Durdlers.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

No, but Tommen is way the hell more likely to repay a debt than Joffrey would have been.

The iron bank thing in the books makes sense, because it happens later and for different reasons. In the show it's inexplicable.

You think Tommen is going to be in charge of anything?

 

[scurvyfreedman]



You think Tommen is going to be in charge of anything?

He's in charge of Ser Pounce.

 

[SixOhNine]

The Tyrion/Shae relationship is much more complicated in the books than on the show - like most else.
Shae lives in a manse well outside of Red Keep and Maegor's Holdfast for much of the story. Varys takes Tyrion through some secret passage to exit the Red Keep and underground so any Cersei tails are lost before they meet to have relations. It's only later that she's brought into Sansa's service. During one of their trips to the manse, Varys recalls another Lord Hand who was fond of whores. Tyrion leaves it alone, but can't figure out who- not Ned and not old Jon Arryn. Had to have been one during Mad King Aerys. There were a few- Tywin for 18 years, a pyromancer at the very end, Jon Connington (who is incidentally gay) before he let Robert escape during the Battle of the Bells… On another visit, Shae is hanging out with a bard, Symion Star Eyes. Symion sings a little tale of a dwarf in love with a whore… the punch line is "for hands of gold are always cold, but a woman's hands are warm." Hands of gold are the gold hands on the necklace worn by the Hand of the King. It's not a necklace worn on the show, however Tyrion did give Shae a gold necklace in Season 2. Me thinks she'll be wearing again soon. But, I won' t spoil that for you.

Anyway, Symion asks to sing at Joffrey's wedding in exchange for forgetting his song, rather than singing it for Lord Tywin. Bronn kills him for Tyrion.

Wait, Jon Connington is gay? Where was that? I mean, I accept that I missed a few things here and there, but I feel like that's something I should have noticed...

 

[in stitches]



You think Tommen is going to be in charge of anything?

right now he is nothing more than a puppet. which, to be honest, is probably his best move.

 

[scurvyfreedman]



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Wait, Jon Connington is gay?  Where was that?  I mean, I accept that I missed a few things here and there, but I feel like that's something I should have noticed...

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There's that whole chapter where he remembers brining Rhaegar to Griffin's Roost and remembers how beautiful he was standing there looking out over the battlements, how he loved to listen to Rhaegar play his high harp... "I rose too high, loved too hard, dared too much. I tried to grasp a star, overreached, and fell."

The bells tolled for all of us that day. For Aerys and his queen, for Elia of Dorne and her little daughter, for every true man and honest woman in the Seven Kingdoms. And for my silver prince.

As he climbed he remembered past ascents—a hundred with his lord father, who liked to stand and look out over woods and crags and sea and know that all he saw belonged to House Connington, and one (only one!) with Rhaegar Targaryen. Prince Rhaegar was returning from Dorne, and he and his escort had lingered here a fortnight. He was so young then, and I was younger. Boys, the both of us. At the welcoming feast, the prince had taken up his silver-stringed harp and played for them. A song of love and doom, Jon Connington recalled, and every woman in the hall was weeping when he put down the harp. Not the men, of course......“Your father’s lands are beautiful,” Prince Rhaegar had said, standing right where Jon was standing now. And the boy he’d been had replied, “One day they will all be mine.” As if that could impress a prince who was heir to the entire realm, from the Arbor to the Wall.

A bride for our bright prince. Jon Connington remembered Prince Rhaegar’s wedding all too well. Elia was never worthy of him. She was frail and sickly from the first, and childbirth only left her weaker. After the birth of Princess Rhaenys, her mother had been bedridden for half a year, and Prince Aegon’s birth had almost been the death of her. She would bear no more children, the maesters told Prince Rhaegar afterward.

“Your father’s lands are beautiful,” he said. His silvery hair was blowing in the wind, and his eyes were a deep purple, darker than this boy’s.

….

Jon Connington had known that, and he had also known that Robert’s head upon a spear would have put an end to the rebellion, then and there. He was young and full of pride. How not? King Aerys had named him Hand and given him an army, and he meant to prove himself worthy of that trust, of Rhaegar’s love. He would slay the rebel lord himself and carve a place out for himself in all the histories of the Seven Kingdoms.

 

[retronotmetro]

****, that's worth $850? Remind me to raise my rates.

You have rates now?

Yeah, been out of public sector and back in private practice for a couple of years.

 

[Gibonius]

Spoiler

So the song at the end credits was Hands of Gold, yes? Melody fit perfectly.

 

[Reggs]

The internet police are on my tail for downloading torrents. Anyone have a TV Torrents code I could use?

 

[Ketawa]

Just get a proxy server. I use Private Internet Access.