Thanks for the polite advice - you´re totaly right both about the suit and how I feel about it; would be fun if I could make it work. I suppose what remains is to try and cut the Gordian knot by getting rid of both shirt collar and tie: [FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]I feel compelled to oblige: [/FONT] Black: Navy: Sadly, both of the above are bit much for my daily job as an assistant university professor. Work attire tends to be corduroy suit and turtleneck sweater (except the usual slacks/cords and sports jacket combos), but I was looking for something new to add to the mix. It's sad that it's so much harder to find casual suits then formal ones, but it's all demand reflecting supply, of course. (I´d love to supply better photos, but (as you can probably tell from the boxes and empty shelves) I´m in the process of moving out of tiny appartment so not much space and camera is already stuffed into a box somewhere).