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It's not just kids though.Kids not needing canvassed suits has no bearing on the industry.
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It's not just kids though.Kids not needing canvassed suits has no bearing on the industry.
nothing too exciting, very classic menswear uniform
Kids not needing canvassed suits has no bearing on the industry.
Quote:I don't take your comments personally. I'm going to dress the way I dress whether you think its affected or not. I'm only responding because I feel like your general tone in this debate is symptomatic of a problem that I think is, in general, damaging to the future of my industry. The world is getting more casual and most young people have little need for fully canvassed suits. If we want the things we love to be around for us to enjoy them, we need to be more open about how they are worn.
Supply and demand. If there is no demand for quality rtw from the next generation there won't be a supply for anyone.
So CausticMan and heldentenour it's cool if you want to follow the trad rules or Vox's giant handbook on menswear, but don't think those are the only correct "rules" or perspective. Right now ya'll are trying to force Monet into Golden Ratios and Fibonacci spirals.
Supply and demand. If there is no demand for quality rtw from the next generation there won't be a supply for anyone.
Nice classic fit! Seeing you post is making me feel nostalgic. You used to post often when I first started browsing the forum on the regular.
CM has gotten a lot better than the old days where if you weren't a Vox/Manton/Foo clone you got reamed. Now we got Roycru's BB swag, DonCologne's Oxxford suits, and EFV's or NickPollica's "sprezz", in addition to Cleav's traditional British or Braddock's Italian aesthetics.
Just need to appreciate them all for what they are worth. I don't like the Engineered Garments look that CottonDockers does, but his fits are top notch, and I don't tell him to go buy some Doma or SLP leathers.
So CausticMan and heldentenour it's cool if you want to follow the trad rules or Vox's giant handbook on menswear, but don't think those are the only correct "rules" or perspective. Right now ya'll are trying to force Monet into Golden Ratios and Fibonacci spirals.
Also, whether your shoes are shined have no bearing on weather your leather is healthy. If you don't believe me, ask DWFII, who is more qualified than anyone on this board on the matter.
when a forum is called Classic Menswear there should be some standard, otherwise there is no learning, there is no advancement, there is no excellence.
I don't think that has much to do with it at all. You must understand that high quality clothing for men has always been the territory of the few. Yes, there has always been cheaply made versions of these types of clothes that are more accessible but this myth that the past was a better dressed time has no basis in reality. This is not to say that things are't getting more casual, they certainly are. However the main point is that plebeian dress has always been different from patrician in small ways or large.
The simple fact I'll say is this. People buy clothes (mostly) for what is necessary. No amount of pushing tailored clothes on young people will work. The only thing that will get people to buy more tailored clothes is needing to have tailored clothes. Usually for work, but sometimes for play. You can't change social forces with marketing ploys.
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Interesting.
First, I want to say that I am becoming more enthused with the idea of completely unstructured suits, such as those @Kent Wang
offers (and I guess you do as well?) and that @Tirailleur1
wears so well. A little hesitant, but I think the look that comes with it probably fits how I want to dress on a lot of days.
Second, was this part of you motivation for branching Eidos off Isaia...essentially trying to preserve, not so much an art, but a certain type of dress? Or, to put it less grandly, contributing to it's preservation?
I think it will in two ways.
1) It provides more options, and this is almost always good. There is more to appeal to a broader range of folks
2) It may be that you are right and a failure to make drastic, Thom Brownesque (in terms of extent, not necessarily design) is necessary to maintain the interest of upcoming generations.
I do think we can effect social forces with sincerity and integrity.