Shoe Damage Report & Shoe P0rn Central - Part II

Wes Bourne · Apr 16, 2011

Originally Posted by fritzl

can i have a proof of the handstitched apron please. it doesn't look like that. when i asked real craftsmen, there was silence, which tells a lot. just saying.

Orly? Guess you ain't never heard of Gary Finedon, aka da Dover man, a rockstar of sorts in Japan:

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NOBD · Apr 16, 2011

This discussion needs side to side pics of the models. Too much talk, not enough pics.

Period.

edmorel · Apr 16, 2011

here are my RLPL CARTER/EG Ecton's

DWFII · Apr 16, 2011

Originally Posted by Mr. Pink

DFWII, Can yo explain whey this is stronger than stitching all way through the leather
More substance between the stitches for one, heavier thread...and something to do with the shear angle/strength, I suspect. I have tested the technique--the shoe in the photo is one I made--and been surprised at how strong and immovable it was. I guess I could study it some and come up with other reasons based on materials and mechanics, but the bottom line is that little bit of folk (or Trade) wisdom was handed down to me. Subsequent trials and usage have proofed it sufficiently that I have no doubt.

Mr. Pink · Apr 16, 2011

Originally Posted by DWFII

More substance between the stitches for one, heavier thread...and something to do with the shear angle/strength, I suspect.

I have tested the technique--the shoe in the photo is one I made--and been surprised at how strong and immovable it was. I guess I could study it some and come up with other reasons based on materials and mechanics, but the bottom line is that little bit of folk (or Trade) wisdom was handed down to me. Subsequent trials and usage have proofed it sufficiently that I have no doubt.

Thanks. Seems counterintuitive to me. That's why I asked.

Parker · Apr 16, 2011

Nice Ed, those look like Dovers, no? What's the diff btwn that and the Ecton? Lacing?

edmorel · Apr 16, 2011

Originally Posted by Parker

Nice Ed, those look like Dovers, no? What's the diff btwn that and the Ecton? Lacing?

3 eyelets versus 4, heel counter/heel. This is on the 82 last with a double to single sole. Personally, I prefer these to the Dover but in the realm of split toe shoes I think the Dover is a must have.

Parker · Apr 16, 2011

Ah, ok, thanks Ed.

edit: sorry, looks like I didn't read the past two pages. I just looked at the pictures.

Poshak Man · Apr 16, 2011

RLPL CARTER is on the 89 last.

JohnnyCrockett · Apr 16, 2011

Originally Posted by Newcomer

I find that proportions of the Hove to be much less elegant that the Dover.

Is this not true for all G&G shoes vs. the same style by EG?

archetypal_yuppie · Apr 16, 2011

Originally Posted by pebblegrain

ah so you love split toes, and hate the Dover? pray tell

When did I say I love split does? Because the opposite is true, although I've never discussed the topic before.

geoffmartin17 · Apr 17, 2011

Really like those ed, you should sell them to me.

S. Magnozzi · Apr 17, 2011

Originally Posted by Ich_Dien

I agree with you here, however the dover is a shoe meant to be paired with formal clothing and to my eye it never goes correctly.

I'm not sure what you believe constitute formal clothing and why it would be meant to worn as such only. IMO they work just splendidly with less formal clothing, for example as worn by M. Alden below.

Pliny · Apr 17, 2011

Originally Posted by fritzl

not really. manliness? haha

most of your observations mirror your preferences. can i have a proof of the handstitched apron please. it doesn't look like that. when i asked real craftsmen, there was silence, which tells a lot. just saying.

putting the dover in the same sentence of a vash norweger is blasphemy, imo.

Having just browsed some Austrian, Hungarian and German Norwegers, I take back the 'manly' comment: the Dover looks positively effeminate next to Haferl, Attila, Dinks etc versions. 'Alpha as f-@$' - but I wouldn't wear any of them - or the Vass I love - with a suit

Ditto Magnozzi: That's the beauty of the Dover - it's a rule-breaker, an inherently rustic style of shoe made elegant.

The skill of the Dover stitching is well-documented.

Maybe it's time for a Norweger thread.

aj_del · Apr 17, 2011

Anyone have a pic of the vass version of the Dover, basically the vass nst?

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