Self Edge x Sugar Cane = SEXSC06 - THE SECOND COMING OF FIRE

How much I know? Yea I guess nobody who I've ever met and asked questions of knew anything about denim. I do know that comparing the crotch reinforcement on this jean to any other jean, the shaping is very different, and when the crotch blew in mine, it was at the exact edges of the reinforcement piece.

The crotch blew out badly after 2 months, and the jeans aren't even that tight. I've worn much lighter weight Rag & Bone denim MUCH tighter with no problems.. many months in.

I guess the expectation of not having to sink another $40 in repairs in a $300+ jean after a few months of wear is crazy.

Originally Posted by kiya

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Show's how much you know about denim construction, but figures consider you worked at a fashion store. Denim woven this loosely in weave pattern and in this weight (~12oz) will tear in the crotch with daily wear if the jean is worn slim within 3 months, the reinforcement at least doubled the life of the crotch area.
And if the jean isn't worn slim and it still blows out, what then? Not to mention, which store are you suggesting is a "fashion store". Is that to say that people who work for/patronize said store know nothing about denim? Particularly if they sell high-end denim, or even denim collab'd by this forum?

Originally Posted by kiya

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Show's how much you know about denim construction, but figures consider you worked at a fashion store.
Denim woven this loosely in weave pattern and in this weight (~12oz) will tear in the crotch with daily wear if the jean is worn slim within 3 months, the reinforcement at least doubled the life of the crotch area.

Yes, he figured out the secret denim formula. Loose weave + 12oz + slim fit = tear in 3 months or less or your money back!

No, just kidding. Its just ****** jean construction.

Well, this took a turn for the bizarre. I do kinda feel bad for the owners whose crotches are ticking time bombs. If only they'd built it with crotch reinforcement reinforcement...

Originally Posted by Teger

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I do know that comparing the crotch reinforcement on this jean to any other jean, the shaping is very different, and when the crotch blew in mine, it was at the exact edges of the reinforcement piece.
What other jean has a crotch reinforcement? Also, this jean was a slim version of Sugar Cane's handloomed style jean which they released all over Asia and at Self Edge over a year ago. That jean had NO crotch reinforcement and the silhouette was near a 1947, so therefore far from slim. The crotch on that jean for Japanese customers was blowing out faster than excepted for TOYO, so for the SEXSC06 the denim was reinforced with a secondary piece of denim.

Originally Posted by kiya

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What other jean has a crotch reinforcement?

Crates.

this conversation is making me nervous since i just picked up a pair a few weeks ago. ..

i dont plan on soaking or washing ever, am i at more of a risk of crotch blowing out?
I sized up one so they are not insanely slim on me. (i can put them on and off without even unbuttoning the top button if i wanted to)

also for those who have repaired the crotch after blowout–how is it holding up after the repair? do you think it will tear again?

you should soak the jeans

high end *** denim needs to be soaked

^would soaking them while wearing them reduce shrinkage in the waist?
i only really want them to shrink in inseam length?

or should i just stop stressing about it and soak them and deal with it until they stretch?

thanks in advance for help

they are STF jeans you have to soak them if you bought them new.

^ok im going to soak tonight and see how they fit after. . .

how are they holding up after the crotch rip was fixed?

Originally Posted by kiya

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Show's how much you know about denim construction, but figures consider you worked at a fashion store. Denim woven this loosely in weave pattern and in this weight (~12oz) will tear in the crotch with daily wear if the jean is worn slim within 3 months, the reinforcement at least doubled the life of the crotch area.
Which makes me think... Why would you even release this model if you knew the crotch would blow so quickly? Should I assume it shows how much you respect your customers?

Japanese brands have been releasing jeans that age like turn of the century jeans for over twenty years.
Both Self Edge and Blue in Green sell jeans by brands which pride themselves on reproducing a style of jean which is true to the original. The reproductions age and fall apart just like the originals did, many of the jeans we both sell use 100% cotton thread which is prone to breaking within a couple of months in places like the front pocket backs, coin pocket, and crotch.
This jean was made of denim reproducing late 19th century hand woven denim on a wooden loom, this was not supposed to be Iron Heart's 24oz indestructible jean. There is a huge difference between the two, especially when considering what each fabric reproduction is trying to achieve. One is improving on the past and making it more bulky (Iron Heart) and one is trying to stay as true to the original as possible (Sugar Cane).

so jeans in the 1950s broke really often? i mean they did coal mining and stuff like that. thats probably a lot more use of the denim than say people like teger and xchen

Originally Posted by centrix

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so jeans in the 1950s broke really often? i mean they did coal mining and stuff like that. thats probably a lot more use of the denim than say people like teger and xchen

For starters this isn't 1950's denim, the denim on the SEXSC06 was to replicate 1880's denim.
Find a photo of some really worn in jeans from 100 years ago, there's so many patches covering the dungarees that you start to wonder what parts are the original denim that the pants were made of.