The Teacher Thread

Discussion in 'Business, Careers & Education' started by NewYorkIslander, Feb 14, 2011.

  1. FtRoyalty

    FtRoyalty Senior member

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    I am working on alt cert legislation right now - you would think the bloody sky is falling.

    How so? I'm curious as to what you mean.
     


  2. CBrown85

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    Secondary (8-12) Physical Education, Social Studies 8 and History 12 are my primary focus lately. Only been in the game for a few months, though.
     


  3. ryoneo

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    Nice idea for a thread. Hopefully it will be useful to many. I think there are a good amount of English teachers here located around Asia.
     


  4. ryoneo

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    NYR, I've always wanted to see some pics of your classroom. You mind?
     


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    NYR, any advice for an aspiring teacher? I just finished my BA in History and am looking at teachers' education programs.

    Do you plan on staying in CA? Most states have websites devoted to teaching in that state and provide information about licensure and certification. If you want to teach next year, knock out out any required tests (Praxis II, content exams, etc.) as early as you can. In my experience, states are pretty strict about getting passing scores as these go into being "highly qualified" by NCLB. They are more forgiving about missing a few education courses and will probably grant you a provisional; however, this is not the case with tests.

    Edit: Private schools usually don't require licensure. The cultures between public and private are very different, but the actual classroom teaching is basically the same.
     


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    Been doing a lot of web 2.0 in my teaching/prof. development. Anyone on The Twitter?
     


  7. Rugger

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    How so? I'm curious as to what you mean.
    Entitled teachers thinking they're irreplaceable and that they possess the magical elixer of education(thinking a teaching degree makes you a good teacher, or better..that graduate classes make them more worthy of a teaching job and that they should be compensated for it) even though their school is failing, their students hate them and they are barely in touch with reality. Add on top of that over zealous and demanding teacher unions and their chain-mailing yuppies demanding a raise while the rest of the country suffers and people are losing jobs...whining about pay freezes...you get the idea. There are great teachers out there, and I'm pretty sure NyRanger is one of them, but there are far more poor teachers. Alt Cert gets better people into classrooms and has shown to dramatically help close achievement gaps. Its a good thing and the dinosaur union cronies can't deal with that.
     


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    Entitled teachers thinking they're irreplaceable and that they possess the magical elixer of education(thinking a teaching degree makes you a good teacher, or better..that graduate classes make them more worthy of a teaching job and that they should be compensated for it) even though their school is failing, their students hate them and they are barely in touch with reality. Add on top of that over zealous and demanding teacher unions and their chain-mailing yuppies demanding a raise while the rest of the country suffers and people are losing jobs...whining about pay freezes...you get the idea.

    There are great teachers out there, and I'm pretty sure NyRanger is one of them, but there are far more poor teachers. Alt Cert gets better people into classrooms and has shown to dramatically help close achievement gaps. Its a good thing and the dinosaur union cronies can't deal with that.


    I think this just isn't true.
     


  9. Rugger

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    I think this just isn't true.

    Ok probably accurate. Far more is a reach. There certainly aren't as many outstanding teachers as there should be.
     


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    I admire and an grateful to you teachers. couldn't do it, myself - I've spent a little time teaching cub scouts specific things, and teaching for a living would kill me. good for you guys.
     


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    I admire and an grateful to you teachers. couldn't do it, myself - I've spent a little time teaching cub scouts specific things, and teaching for a living would kill me. good for you guys.

    Not all that rough. I have taught one class in the last month and a half. I can easily shrug off any BS for the luxurious downtime afforded. These days I'm more or less a professional poster on these boards.
     


  12. deadly7

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    NYR, what's your opinion on changing teaching laws? I don't know how it is in NY, but in a lot of states, you can't teach unless you have XYZ degree, certificates, and "student teaching" hours. I know of a few professionals that would, one day, like to "give back" and try teaching. Unfortunately, there are many restrictions in place against that. Have you worked with people in industry, and would this be a good change?
     


  13. NewYorkIslander

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    NYR, any advice for an aspiring teacher? I just finished my BA in History and am looking at teachers' education programs.

    Its tough these days. In fact, in NYC there has been a hiring freeze and current attitudes towards teachers are pretty poor, especially among the uneducated portion of our society. Its also a lot more work than people seem to think. My advise would be to get all of your ducks in a row, pass all your tests, get as much certification as humanly possible, and you may even have to start teaching in private schools first to gain experience (or get yourself hired as a permanent substitute). Basically, make it impossible for a principal/district to NOT hire you when the time is right. Also, trying it out for a year in a private school will help you figure out if its something thats really for you.

    Last thing, while it may be important to keep in mind the stuff you learn in your education classes, NONE of it is as helpful as teaching experience.

    You ay also want to get yourself used to the new National Standards. These will be rolled out in NYC in the next few years, unless you're teaching in Texas and Hawaii, the only two states not partaking in this.

    Do you plan on staying in CA? Most states have websites devoted to teaching in that state and provide information about licensure and certification. If you want to teach next year, knock out out any required tests (Praxis II, content exams, etc.) as early as you can. In my experience, states are pretty strict about getting passing scores as these go into being "highly qualified" by NCLB. They are more forgiving about missing a few education courses and will probably grant you a provisional; however, this is not the case with tests.

    Edit: Private schools usually don't require licensure. The cultures between public and private are very different, but the actual classroom teaching is basically the same.


    ^^^Good advise, but I disagree on the public and private being the same in the classroom. At least where I am. Private schools, although dependent on tuition, can toss any child who is a true disruption, or a child who's parents are not supportive enough, public school, not so much. That definitely finds its way into the classroom.

    Entitled teachers thinking they're irreplaceable and that they possess the magical elixer of education(thinking a teaching degree makes you a good teacher, or better..that graduate classes make them more worthy of a teaching job and that they should be compensated for it) even though their school is failing, their students hate them and they are barely in touch with reality. Add on top of that over zealous and demanding teacher unions and their chain-mailing yuppies demanding a raise while the rest of the country suffers and people are losing jobs...whining about pay freezes...you get the idea.

    I agree with the first part. We have these people from Colombia University in the NYC Schools who wouldn't last 10 seconds in our classrooms, but try and tell us the "right" way to do things. The most valuable education in our field is on the job training, not what some book about educational philosophy, written 70 years ago, says. The second part though is a bit unfair. If you added up all of the bonuses the CEO's and employees of federally bailed out companies (who caused much of this mess) got, it would more than enable every teacher in these places to get the raise they expect.

    Not all that rough. I have taught one class in the last month and a half. I can easily shrug off any BS for the luxurious downtime afforded. These days I'm more or less a professional poster on these boards.

    I'm not sure if teaching one class for a month and a half qualifies you as a "teacher". If you have that much downtime, I guess you don't have much stuff to grade?

    NYR, what's your opinion on changing teaching laws? I don't know how it is in NY, but in a lot of states, you can't teach unless you have XYZ degree, certificates, and "student teaching" hours. I know of a few professionals that would, one day, like to "give back" and try teaching. Unfortunately, there are many restrictions in place against that. Have you worked with people in industry, and would this be a good change?

    Its just a way of holding off hiring new teachers. It goes in cycles. When I was hired 10 years ago, they pretty much gave anyone who wanted a job, with the promise they get all that stuff within X amount of years. With the way hiring freezes and pay freezes are now, its only a matter of time before we have a major teacher shortage again nationwide.
     


  14. NewYorkIslander

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    NYR, I've always wanted to see some pics of your classroom. You mind?

    I'll snap some pics this morning and post later today...
     


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    Excellent idea for a thread, NYR; and great question, Deadly. I'm a lawyer and prof in the area of IP (i.e., patents, trademarks, copyright, entertainment, etc.). After years of practice, I lectured (adjunct) whilst providing advice for a university. I loved it so much that I'm in the process of transitioning into academia full time. While it entails a "pay cut" from private practice (not a minor consideration, Rugger, comparative to industry, and trust you will agree), the benefits are nevertheless worth the sacrifice to me. I recognize that teaching at the post-graduate level is different than at pre-university level (profs enjoy academic freedom, etc.), but when it comes to teaching itself, regardless of where and/or what level, the principles in my opinion are the same. So, if you enjoy the idea of preparing the next generation by imparting knowledge and, in the case of high school, preparing them for university (along with a zest for learning, or so we try and hope), then I think teaching is for you. That said, there are as you say requirements to teach public school. These requirements vary from state to state, and province to province, but fairly universal among them all I believe is the requirement for teacher's college and certification, etc. as you say. Short story about that: years ago public teachers went on a "work to rule" campaign in Ontario. A friend of mine--a prof at teacher's college who teaches teachers--wanted to volunteer at her local school as a sub, only for her app to be declined (on the basis she lacked sufficient teaching hours, or some such, so far as her experience was that of teaching adults and not kids). I found it a bit mind-boggling at the time but understand the need for restrictions. That said, I wonder whether students would be better served if some of these restrictions weren't in all cases applied so strictly, by permitting for e.g. some form of challenge exams (if such things don't exist already); this, because I'm in agreement with you, to possibly encourage more professionals to take up teaching and give back as you say. I look forward thus to being properly “educated” on the subject and hearing what the teachers here have to say about it, too. Meantime, may I say to the teachers: “thank you”. While I’m not sure that I could deal with undergrads much less the little ones, I’m appreciative of the fact that you do (you should see them all grown up, and all those “light bulbs” going off: thank you for preparing them so well, as most of you I likewise believe do!). tl; dnr: a great idea, deadly, and I look forward to what NYR has to say about it, too.
     


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