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Serious Crimes Against CM

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by unbelragazzo, Mar 29, 2013.

  1. jrd617

    jrd617 Senior member

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    Look, if you're going to be a dick and make personal attacks, at least take the time to read the whole American Express travel magazine :lol: article.

    http://www.departures.com/articles/cleverley-shoes-to-come-to-america


    Proves my point. This is not the same kind of square as KC shoe.

    It's mainly are chisel toe with a slightly more perpendicular angle at the front. A far cry from a KC shoe.

    For all intents and purposes, Cleverley is a chisel toe
     
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  2. GusW

    GusW Senior member

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    Big novelty cuff links
     
  3. jrd617

    jrd617 Senior member

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    isnt french cuffs without a tie considered bad too?
     
  4. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Senior member

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    Crimes against Caustic Man? [​IMG]
     
  5. jrd617

    jrd617 Senior member

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    crimes against (5) cm :foo:
     
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  6. GusW

    GusW Senior member

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    Funny that you bring that up because I was just pondering that "rule" this morning as I was getting dressed. Most people would strongly agree. And, in general I would too. However, I have seen some exceptions, the best being a solid color, cutaway collar, with simple silk knots worn under a solid cardigan or pull over. It can have a relaxed, elegant look.
     
  7. Claghorn

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    a) This seems like a good idea
    b) This thread should serve as a discussion thread. After Unbel is happy with some consensus reached, he can create a second thread for reference.

    If we really want to complicate things (i.e. make things more fun), we can have this thread to establish what the crimes are, a second thread dedicated to explaining why they are crimes, and then the final thread will involve presenting the best explanations for each crime (with credit give to the submitting member).

    I don't think this particular thread will be able to serve Unbel's intended purpose as new folks will have to wade through pages of discussion.
     
  8. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Senior member

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    Just to add to the discussion, I don't think the black suit should be on the list for the simple fact that they aren't wrong, they are simply used in the wrong context by almost everyone who owns one. Perhaps it's not so much a mistake as it is a confusion on how to use it.
     
  9. RogerP

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    If you can't see the difference, no amount of description by someone else will help you see the difference.
     
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  10. Stephanduq

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    What is wrong with the black suit? From a design POV, it creates a defined silhouette in any location, and a consistent look under any light circumstance. The contrast in colors with most skin-tones tend to pull the focus the right way. If there is something to blame the black suit for, it would be that it is too easy.

    So the reasoning must be defined by culture then?
     
  11. Claghorn

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    But we should try for the sake of others that might see the difference.

    Square toes are ugly because they end so abruptly. Because chisel toes taper so much, this is less of an issue (less abrupt and smaller flat edge).
     
  12. red81

    red81 Senior member

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    my understanding why square toe shoes are no bueno:

    1. usually cheap
    2. usually made from cheaper leather that, combined with the shoe shape itself, makes for awful aging
    3. it's a simple design (rectangle) that takes minimal design knowledge and crafting skill
     
  13. Claghorn

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    Nope. They are just ugly. While everything else may be true, that isn't why they are awful. There isn't anything wrong with simplicity, and if a squared toe shoe were made by Alden using the finest leathers, it would still be terrible.

    They just give the impression of a shoe unfinished.
     
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  14. Griffyndor

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    I'm not sure what that means. I think the Gucci shoes you posted above are ugly and square. But calling them square-toed misses the point of why they are ugly. They are not just square-toed, they are literally square throughout. And I think the common thread between the Gucci and the Kenneth Cole is the length of the toe line: it is too long for my taste. I think that Cleverley shoes are generally square toed in that toe line is almost straight. When people refer to the chiseling, I think they refer to a slight rounding off of that straight line, and I think they are also referring to the slope of the top of the shoe as it meets the toe box. Here is an extreme example of a Cleverley toe that I would call square. Is it ugly?

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  15. Griffyndor

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    Yeah, I can see the difference between the shoes. And I think the Kenneth Cole shoes are ugly and the Cleverley are beautiful. But I wouldn't look at the two and say "all square toe shoes are ugly."
     
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  16. DrZeus

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    Wow cheap shots much people.
    You all seem to think that if a combo looks like dirt on your droopy ass it must be banned for everyone.

    If you can pull it off then damn well own it I say. Fuck your inhibitions.
     
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  17. GBR

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    Nothing wrong with black suits, odd trousers, black (or dark) shirts or ties worn without jackets.

    Thus this idea is doomed from the start.

    In any event define and more importantly DATE tradition. You cannot and life evolves else we would be wearing ruffs and powdered wigs! They were traditional in their era.
     
  18. DrZeus

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    Similarities to a war rally I think


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  19. Griffyndor

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    Well said. Some great photos out there of Humphrey Bogart in black suits. And the "no tie without jacket" rule is just bizarre.
     
  20. unbelragazzo

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    Agjiffy - stop being a penis about this square toed thing. Everybody knows what is meant by square toed, and the GCs you posted do not fall under that definition. The fact that they technically have angled edges at the toe is besides the point. If you don't understand that, go park your car on the parkway.

    Gus - Flusser recommends pairing different patterns in the same scale! Matching similar patterns on similar scale might make the list.

    Somebody who didn't like my scarf - you can like it or not, but it does not fall afoul of any SF rules, and has the finest SF pedigree.


    I should explain better the purpose of the thread - it's not even necessarily what's wrong or right or what "can't work" vs "can when done right." Consider it a list of what would be called out in a negative way immediately if posted on WAYWRN or suggested in a "what I'm thinking of wearing to X event" thread. Rather than create a separate thread, I'll just keep updating the OP.

    Here's another for discussion - all solid colored silk squares, excepting white and cream. :foo:
     
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