Official: STAR WARS THREAD. These are the droids you're looking for. **WARNING MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS

[Texasmade]

It certainly didn't sound like she was from Naboo or Coruscant.

 

[Johdus Fanfoozal]

I've watched the movie a few times now and I've forgiven some things that irked me after the first viewing.

But one thing I can't let go of is the ho-hum reveal that Han is Kylo's father.

"Hey you know that droid everyone's after? It's on the Falcon with YOUR DAD!"

You had a chance to make a dramatic reveal later in the movie and blew it on unnecessary exposition between Kylo and the Giant.

Could have easily alluded to some sort of relationship without saying it outright so damn early in the movie. Keep the mystery going for at least a little bit.

 

[Jr Mouse]



I cringed when Rey was schooling Han on the mechanics of the Millenium Falcon. Pretty heavy handed to have a "you go girl!" moment overlap with tearing down a male character everyone grew up admiring.

I don't think a boy today can watch this new movie and be inspired by a male character in the same way he would by watching the original trilogy.

I believe she speaks to him about parts that were modified on the ship after he had ownership of it. The man who owned it in the junkyard was the alien buying scraps off of her and for whom she did work for. She had knowledge of these modifications because of that. I agree it was heavy handed, but I disagree that it represented tearing down Han Solo anymore then the moment in the OT where C-3PO explains what needs to be fixed on the ship to him. Han pretends to already know it then goes and tells Chewie to make the repairs.

 

[Ataturk]

I thought not trying to hide the ball about Ren's origin was a pleasant inversion of audience expectations. That being said, the Han Solo death scene was atrocious, especially on a subsequent viewing.

Ren is supposed to be genuinely conflicted (at least, they tell us he is), but, apparently out of a need to manipulate the audience to create suspense about what he's going to do, it comes off as Ren screwing with Solo. His lines seem to vacillate between cruel and inexplicable.

 

[Jr Mouse]



I've watched the movie a few times now and I've forgiven some things that irked me after the first viewing.

But one thing I can't let go of is the ho-hum reveal that Han is Kylo's father.

"Hey you know that droid everyone's after? It's on the Falcon with YOUR DAD!"

You had a chance to make a dramatic reveal later in the movie and blew it on unnecessary exposition between Kylo and the Giant.

Could have easily alluded to some sort of relationship without saying it outright so damn early in the movie. Keep the mystery going for at least a little bit.

I pretty much disliked Snoke in the film, but think it's understandable why they went the reveal in that way. It seems obvious they didn't want it to be compared to the ESB "I am your father" moment. Having it come out so casually prevented this.

This may have been backed up in an interview I read a while ago, but I am not sure. If I come across it again I will share it here.

 

[Neo_Version 7]



Ren is supposed to be genuinely conflicted (at least, they tell us he is), but, apparently out of a need to manipulate the audience to create suspense about what he's going to do, it comes off as Ren screwing with Solo. His lines seem to vacillate between cruel and inexplicable.

Watching it a second time, I didn't think he was screwing with Han. If anything, he knew he was gonna kill him as soon as he stepped onto the bridge....he just needed a little push. Kinda like ripping off a Band-Aid or losing your anal virginity.

The light from the sun going out was a little too on-the-nose (as most of the things in this film were) but hey, it's a Star Wars movie.

 

[LA Guy]

I pretty much disliked Snoke in the film, but think it's understandable why they went the reveal in that way. It seems obvious they didn't want it to be compared to the ESB "I am your father" moment. Having it come out so casually prevented this.

This may have been backed up in an interview I read a while ago, but I am not sure. If I come across it again I will share it here.

Snoke looked a bit like the genie from Alladin had been hit with the ugly stick a couple dozen times.

 

[LA Guy]

I'm certainly not claiming to have beaten up more girls than you have.
This is a gross misrepresentation of the actual discussion. I said I thought the little girl('s mother) who wrote that note misunderstood what a "strong" female character is supposed to be. You asked me elaborate on it. Then you interjected with the diversity schlock, which I had said was distracting -- and it is. It was a very deliberate decision to change the composition of the casts to push present-day political issues, that has nothing to do with the story. It reminds me of the "Only Sith speak in absolutes" horseshit from the prequels. It's not like I'm the only person who's brought it up, as the "diversity" of the cast has been fawned over extensively by professional reviewers.

If anything, you're the one pushing both of these issues. So grab a mirror and tell me what you see, Doc.

I'm just reacting to you. During the course of the movie, yes, I noticed the hand around the world cast of X-Wing pilots (incidentally, a nod to the diversity of the Rebel Armada in ROTJ), but it didn't register on my emotion meter at all. That yours was one of annoyance and irritation speaks volumes about you. After all, this is a story that happened in a magical land. Your reaction would be much more justified if say, the movie has been about, say, Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, and he inexplicably has Morgan Freeman, playing a Moor, as his mentor/sidekick. But, it's not. It's Star Wars. Regardless of the politics of choosing an ethnically diverse cast, that there was an ethnically diverse cast should not make the Star Wars world more implausible, for anyone.

Not sure that I have it in me to say that again.

Re. Rey. C'mon man. Your objection to her in this thread far predated the silly note that the 8 year old girl channeling her angry mother wrote.

 

[Jr Mouse]

It's a sad thing that some people get their panties in a bunch about Hollywood making an effort to include a more diverse cast in films. How is this not a good thing unless you just have a hard on for seeing white males on screen?

Fok it was more than just a nod. As much as people keep saying this film was a direct plot rip off of ANH, it really did mix in elements of all the OT films. The ending battle felt much more ROTJ with the cut aways to a lightsaber battle then it did the final of ANH.

 

[Ataturk]



I'm just reacting to you.

Oh, good. I'm not one of those psychoanalzying types, but I was afraid you were going to say something like, well, manifesting these insecurities by going on about how you attend "fight gyms," what you might be trying to justify or excuse by elaborating about how women aren't defenseless and could hold their own against men, your apparent need to come to womens' defense as if you felt you had something to atone for, all that--I dunno, like I said, I wouldn't know where to start.

So you just kept pressing me on something I'd said briefly before, then used the fact that I replied to you to call me obsessed or something. Fair enough.

 

[VaderDave]

So can we move past this and get back to nerding out over the movie despite its many flaws and shortcomings?

 

[Jr Mouse]

Someone's started an online Change.org petition to return Lucas to directing Star Wars for Ep IX.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/01/07/petition-to-return-star-wars-to-george-lucas/

Only 1.5K signatures so far so i think we are safe guys.

 

[lefty]

1.5K + 1.

lefty

 

[dopey]

So tell me some really cool things about the plot or design or details of this movie.

I kind of liked the goofy metal clad square headed beasts. But give me some more good details. Especially plot details.

 

[Jr Mouse]

I'd like to start a petition to remove Left's signature from that petition.