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NFL 2016-17 Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by jrd617, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. HRoi

    HRoi Senior member

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    Two things that are already annoying, one game into the season:

    Coaches running draw plays on second and long
    Collinsworth saying "...the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE!"
     
  2. europrep

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    Neither of those teams have a shot this year with those defenses. Steelers will put up some serious yards when Bell and Bryant are back, but when you put up 500 yards and still loose, you can't win a championship.
     
  3. edinatlanta

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    :rolleyes: :tomasso:

    Here's a list of all the stout Patriots defenses since 1999:
     
  4. Ambulance Chaser

    Ambulance Chaser Senior member

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    Negative. The first three Super Bowl-winning teams (particularly the first one) were defensive oriented. The two Super Bowls the Patriots lost featured a high-powered offense.

    I would never count the Patriots out of anything, but can you feel good after seeing the defense gashed repeatedly by both the run and the pass last night?
     
  5. europrep

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    And last year they were 13th in yards and 8th in points. You don't need a top 5 defense to win the big game, but it is extremely difficult if you are bottom 10.
     
  6. edinatlanta

    edinatlanta Senior member

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    Well right now they've allowed the fewest points and are second in overall defense...

    Chill out dude, it's one game. They'll improve. Did they take a step back, yes. But they also played against a pretty good offensive team, too. So...
     
  7. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    I did not like seeing the Pats give up 460 yards, but the Patriots do tend to improve in the back half. I hope that happens this year. We can only read so much into one game.
     
  8. venividivicibj

    venividivicibj Senior member

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    I mean... Pats gave up 460 yards to a team who's coaches weren't able to communicate with each other during the first half... what will happen when their opponents headsets work?
     
  9. Ambulance Chaser

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    :lol:

    Maybe they'll water down the side of the field they're defending?
     
  10. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    What happens when they switch sides?
     
  11. archibaldleach

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    Haha. I'm just glad their kicker was awful and Heyward Bey couldn't catch an easy ball in bounds.
     
  12. LawrenceMD

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  13. venividivicibj

    venividivicibj Senior member

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    Pats probably have special cleats for watery soil.

    Edina are you a Pats fan?
     
  14. venividivicibj

    venividivicibj Senior member

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    How many guaranteed picks is that?
     
  15. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    Assuming 80 picks over 4 years, around $800,000 per pick.
     
  16. Ambulance Chaser

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    Not sure if you're looking for a serious answer, but the Patriots run a dink-and-dunk offense that is less affected by a slow field than a team with a vertical passing attack. Don't want to rehash Deflategate, but the nature of the Pats' offense made it at least plausible to me that somebody on the team intentionally deflated footballs. A slightly deflated football is more difficult to throw a long distance with a tight spiral (which is why Aaron Rodgers likes his footballs to be slightly overinflated), but is easier to catch and hold on to. The Patriots are more concerned about the latter than the former.


    Sounds like a lot, but is that the going rate for a QB of his caliber? I'd put him on the same tier as Roethlisberger, Rivers, Ryan, Flacco, and Romo.
     
  17. Texasmade

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    Obviously record the other team's signals or send in low level employees to steal their play sheets.
     
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  18. archibaldleach

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    @Ambulance Chaser, I was being tongue and cheek. I assumed you were as well.


    That's kind of the issue. It's one of those things where teams suck it up and pay, which drives the market for above average but not elite quarterbacking talent very close to what you pay an elite QB. I think Rodgers' extension averaged $22 million a year and there's no way I'd take Eli and $1 million in cap space over Rodgers. At this point, I think Eli is making more than pretty much everyone except Rodgers and Wilson (not entirely fair since the price for QBs seems to go up each year and some of those guys got their contracts a couple years ago). So I get why teams do it (in a win now league, the risk of starting over with a QB who could suck is not worth it), but you kind of look at that and see a competitive disadvantage if the Giants are paying almost as much for a QB as the Packers and more than the Patriots / Broncos / Saints / etc.
     
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    Eli is 4th behind Rodgers, Roethlisberger, and Wilson.
     
  20. Neo_Version 7

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    Far be it from me to bring down ELi (considering I'm a Pats fan) but I'd take Luck and Matty Ice over him. Playoff Eli is a different story obviously
     

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