Lawless Denim & Co (Phoenix, Arizona)

[Dirty Denim]

Would love to see em on. I tried on a pair in the shop which fit fine all around other than me not liking the 9 in hem that came with the straights

 

[notwithit]



Would love to see em on.  I tried on a pair in the shop which fit fine all around other than me not liking the 9 in hem that came with the straights 

Sure. I probably won't get a chance today, but I'll try to get one soon. The hem on a size 32 is actually narrow enough that I can have the legs stack instead of cuffing (which was my original plan). Not what I'd normally do with chinos, but an interesting option.

 

[Dirty Denim]

Sure. I probably won't get a chance today, but I'll try to get one soon. The hem on a size 32 is actually narrow enough that I can have the legs stack instead of cuffing (which was my original plan). Not what I'd normally do with chinos, but an interesting option.

No worries, take ur time. I really like the LD chinos a lot. TBH I like everything i own from LD. My jeans are looking pretty good atm with my 14oz shirt also great. I have a pair of the 16oz cones I washed before wearing em that will get some burn as soon as the AZ summer subsides.

Enjoy ur Chinos

 

[Sam H]

Just checking in to say that I no longer have a Lawless login, still. My order is from November 30th. Now I'm apparently removed from their system. I gave them $50 and got nothing. I no longer even have the promise of something. Perhaps asking for my order to be cancelled was too curt for them and so they did this to tell me to screw off. People who get things from their are either lucky or shills. The entire business is beyond fucked up.

I'm glad I'm not one of the people who spent more than $50 there but I hope my $50 at least buys someone seeing this post and deciding not to waste their time and money. As for me, all that's really occurred is a strengthening of my resolve that kickstarters and crowdfunding are nothing more than corporate change-begging from companies who can't get real investors and somehow spin exploitation of the consumer as a progressive business tactic by pretending it's equal parts socialism and good-will charity as opposed to one-sided venture capital "investing" with knick knacks filling in for equity (or in some cases, nothing but a file thrown into the memory hole).

 

[Fenderplyr]

Just checking in to say that I no longer have a Lawless login, still. My order is from November 30th. Now I'm apparently removed from their system. I gave them $50 and got nothing. I no longer even have the promise of something. Perhaps asking for my order to be cancelled was too curt for them and so they did this to tell me to screw off. People who get things from their are either lucky or shills. The entire business is beyond fucked up.

I'm glad I'm not one of the people who spent more than $50 there but I hope my $50 at least buys someone seeing this post and deciding not to waste their time and money. As for me, all that's really occurred is a strengthening of my resolve that kickstarters and crowdfunding are nothing more than corporate change-begging from companies who can't get real investors and somehow spin exploitation of the consumer as a progressive business tactic by pretending it's equal parts socialism and good-will charity as opposed to one-sided venture capital "investing" with knick knacks filling in for equity (or in some cases, nothing but a file thrown into the memory hole).

yep, same im out 100 bucks. They've answered probably 2 of my 50 emails and just keep saying "you should have been refunded" only to never respond again and their phone constantly goes to voicemail

 

[exophobe]

I hate helping these guys out since they banned me on instagram, but I hate more to leave people that feel they've been shafted hanging:

How to re-create your account

Your payment will say Pending, your order will say fulfilled, they know about this but assure customers that they know everyone has paid, and that orders have not been fulfilled (I think that was int he instagram feed somewheres).

I've also got two orders sitting out there waiting, waiting. We've compiled a list of Custom orders outstanding over here, if you're interested in joining another forum of people talking about fashion-working clothes.

Just checking in to say that I no longer have a Lawless login, still. My order is from November 30th. Now I'm apparently removed from their system. I gave them $50 and got nothing. I no longer even have the promise of something. Perhaps asking for my order to be cancelled was too curt for them and so they did this to tell me to screw off. People who get things from their are either lucky or shills. The entire business is beyond fucked up.

I'm glad I'm not one of the people who spent more than $50 there but I hope my $50 at least buys someone seeing this post and deciding not to waste their time and money. As for me, all that's really occurred is a strengthening of my resolve that kickstarters and crowdfunding are nothing more than corporate change-begging from companies who can't get real investors and somehow spin exploitation of the consumer as a progressive business tactic by pretending it's equal parts socialism and good-will charity as opposed to one-sided venture capital "investing" with knick knacks filling in for equity (or in some cases, nothing but a file thrown into the memory hole).

yep, same im out 100 bucks. They've answered probably 2 of my 50 emails and just keep saying "you should have been refunded" only to never respond again and their phone constantly goes to voicemail

 

[Oldsrocket27]

As someone who received his order: cancel your order. It's not worth it. The fabric you ordered is probably great, but the construction isn't a good advertized. My pants had details that weren't advertised and didn't have details that were. For waiting as long as I did, it's not worth it, even at the price. There's a weird twist to the seams on the legs, and on the right side more than the left. The hems weren't chainstiched at all. Etc. Etc.

 

[H Markopolos]

I hate helping these guys out since they banned me on instagram, but I hate more to leave people that feel they've been shafted hanging:

How to re-create your account

Your payment will say Pending, your order will say fulfilled, they know about this but assure customers that they know everyone has paid, and that orders have not been fulfilled (I think that was int he instagram feed somewheres).

I've also got two orders sitting out there waiting, waiting. We've compiled a list of Custom orders outstanding over here, if you're interested in joining another forum of people talking about fashion-working clothes.

I think it is no secret that I have little regard for the "another forum of people talking about fashion-working clothes" (mostly during "working" hours). What I find most interesting is that the Selvedge Style forum was the original internet hub for the Lawless Denim hype machine and now is the place to go to record your unfilled Lawless Denim order and to ***** and moan about how stupid you were to order in the first place.

What is truly ironic is some guy by the handle of "Jockohomo" was banned from that site because he was pointing out the scam like features of Lawless Denim and that did not sit well with the Lawless salesmen/moderators over there!! Check out his posts over there (pre-ban). To bad he was "silenced" maybe some people would not have had their money go up in smoke if he would have been allowed to continue to point out the obvious reasons Lawless Denim was never going to be able to fulfill all of their obligations to their customers.

 

[Dirty Denim]

I think it is no secret that I have little regard for the "another forum of people talking about fashion-working clothes" (mostly during "working" hours). What I find most interesting is that the Selvedge Style forum was the original internet hub for the Lawless Denim hype machine and now is the place to go to record your unfilled Lawless Denim order and to ***** and moan about how stupid you were to order in the first place.

What is truly ironic is some guy by the handle of "Jockohomo" was banned from that site because he was pointing out the scam like features of Lawless Denim and that did not sit well with the Lawless salesmen/moderators over there!! Check out his posts over there (pre-ban). To bad he was "silenced" maybe some people would not have had their money go up in smoke if he would have been allowed to continue to point out the obvious reasons Lawless Denim was never going to be able to fulfill all of their obligations to their customers.

I remember Jocko and that was an interaction with myself. HE wasnt banned but suspended and never came back or atleast I never saw him again. I am sure he got fed up and decided it wasnt worth it.

As for the thread "I" requested to be put together, I wanted to help my fellow forum members out since "I" was part of LD. Do I have to help anyone since I quit and ran as far as I could from LD...NO but as I said I thought I could help.

 

[H Markopolos]

I remember Jocko and that was an interaction with myself. HE wasnt banned but suspended and never came back or atleast I never saw him again. I am sure he got fed up and decided it wasnt worth it.

As for the thread "I" requested to be put together, I wanted to help my fellow forum members out since "I" was part of LD. Do I have to help anyone since I quit and ran as far as I could from LD...NO but as I said I thought I could help.

Sal, you might want to check with Boettcher or Fitzgerald on that ban.

As for you wanting to help out the duped LD&CO customers I can understand your guilt. Your bombshell revelations on the Selvedge & Style Forum under the Lawless Denim section at page 75 of the Lawless Reviews thread are about 3 months overdue? It would appear to me laws have been broken and will continue to be unless someone does something meaningful to hold Mr. Lawless to account. You and Ms. Trounce appear to know much you still have not disclosed and I would think someone in law enforcement would at least listen to what is going on as it relates to defrauding customers/friends. The Arizona Attorney Generals office might be a good place to start.

As I pointed out TWICE above, consumer complaints can be lodged with the Arizona Attorney Generals office at the link below.

https://www.azag.gov/complaints/consumer

If everyone on the thread you referred to above would lodge a complaint with the Attorney General I would guaranty you that an investigation would take place with a possible cease and desist order coming out of it. It is a little late to be posting Yelp reviews and BBB complaints (of course those are not viable venues anyway if you listened to the "people in the know" on the Selvedge Style Forum back in December and January). I still can not understand why, apparently, no LD&CO customer has complained at this link as of yet. I can only assume it was either greed, stupidity or a health dose of both.

 

[exophobe]

If everyone on the thread you referred to above would lodge a complaint with the Attorney General I would guaranty you that an investigation would take place with a possible cease and desist order coming out of it. It is a little late to be posting Yelp reviews and BBB complaints (of course those are not viable venues anyway if you listened to the "people in the know" on the Selvedge Style Forum back in December and January). I still can not understand why, apparently, no LD&CO customer has complained at this link as of yet. I can only assume it was either greed, stupidity or a health dose of both.

I think it is no secret that I have little regard for the "another forum of people talking about fashion-working clothes" (mostly during "working" hours). What I find most interesting is that the Selvedge Style forum was the original internet hub for the Lawless Denim hype machine and now is the place to go to record your unfilled Lawless Denim order and to ***** and moan about how stupid you were to order in the first place.

I think you might find people more willing to take your advice if you didn't insist on calling them stupid or greedy every chance you get. Thanks for your input, though, I appreciate being berated by a stranger on the Internet when I'm simply trying to be nice. No really. :|

 

[Dirty Denim]

Sal, you might want to check with Boettcher or Fitzgerald on that ban.

As for you wanting to help out the duped LD&CO customers I can understand your guilt. Your bombshell revelations on the Selvedge & Style Forum under the Lawless Denim section at page 75 of the Lawless Reviews thread are about 3 months overdue? It would appear to me laws have been broken and will continue to be unless someone does something meaningful to hold Mr. Lawless to account. You and Ms. Trounce appear to know much you still have not disclosed and I would think someone in law enforcement would at least listen to what is going on as it relates to defrauding customers/friends. The Arizona Attorney Generals office might be a good place to start.

As I pointed out TWICE above, consumer complaints can be lodged with the Arizona Attorney Generals office at the link below.

https://www.azag.gov/complaints/consumer

If everyone on the thread you referred to above would lodge a complaint with the Attorney General I would guaranty you that an investigation would take place with a possible cease and desist order coming out of it. It is a little late to be posting Yelp reviews and BBB complaints (of course those are not viable venues anyway if you listened to the "people in the know" on the Selvedge Style Forum back in December and January). I still can not understand why, apparently, no LD&CO customer has complained at this link as of yet. I can only assume it was either greed, stupidity or a health dose of both.

You do not know what I have offered up to anyone. A lot of what I know is personal and some of it is common knowledge. If a lawyer or anyone in law inforcement want to know what I know they can request me to speak to them BUT im not gonna blow a damn whistle on a forum.. I have said plenty for people to use and make up their own minds. Just like Jocko I feel u are just hiding behind ur newly born 16 count name. . Come out and play with the rest of us and if u did I would gladly tell you a 200 page story about Lawless but till then no thanks

 

[onephenom]

I am curious to everyone else having responded positively here. I purchase last November, and still haven't received my product. I can't get any response from lawless. Since their new site update, I can't login with my old credentials "email address not found" and I can't see my order info. Haven't heard back in two months... DON'T TAKE THE RISK OF PURCHASING FROM THEM. You may never see the product. I don't understand why I can't get what I paid for so long ago. How are other people buying from them? Is there a secret process to actually getting what you paid for that I didn't get the in on?

 

[onephenom]

Does anyone have a phone number that works for Lawless anymore?

 

[Dirty Denim]

Does anyone have a phone number that works for Lawless anymore?

At this point it looks like LD is looking for people to ask for refunds as it is cheaper to refund than it is to make these items at a loss. I would get a refund unless u dont care about the risk