Issue with apartment management

[hopkins_student]

Originally Posted by stingray3

You like to believe that most people are civil and reasonable, but then you hear about events such as director Adrienne Shelly's death and it makes you wonder. For those unfamiliar with the story, a construction worker murdered her after she complained he was making noise in the apartment below hers.

http://www.reuters.com/article/enter...2?feedType=RSS
Yes you would. I suppose the logical thing to do is no longer go shopping at the mall.

 

[Bouji]

This has happened to me in the past, although the police were not involved. Thankfully the law in the UK is quite clear with regard to noise.
There is no specific laws relating to noise, but there are times when 'public disturbance' is not permitted, generally this is 11pm-4am Sunday-Thursday, though it can differ in some areas.
What is good about the law is that it is 'public disturbance' that is illegal, not the noise itself, so unless the person complaining has informed the person causing the noise that it is causing them disturbance, the police will not get involved.
What was strange about when people have spoken to me about noise is that once it was the noise of my washing machine running that caused them disruption, in this instance I sarcastically thanked them for waking me up, and told them that if they thought that me running the washing machine was an effort on my part to cause disruption, they could take it up with the police, suffice to say I did not hear anything about the issue again. To spite the person, I ran my washing machine again at 2am and 4am.

 

[lawyerdad]

Originally Posted by Bouji

This has happened to me in the past, although the police were not involved. Thankfully the law in the UK is quite clear with regard to noise.
There is no specific laws relating to noise, but there are times when 'public disturbance' is not permitted, generally this is 11pm-4am Sunday-Thursday, though it can differ in some areas.
What is good about the law is that it is 'public disturbance' that is illegal, not the noise itself, so unless the person complaining has informed the person causing the noise that it is causing them disturbance, the police will not get involved.
What was strange about when people have spoken to me about noise is that once it was the noise of my washing machine running that caused them disruption, in this instance I sarcastically thanked them for waking me up, and told them that if they thought that me running the washing machine was an effort on my part to cause disruption, they could take it up with the police, suffice to say I did not hear anything about the issue again. To spite the person, I ran my washing machine again at 2am and 4am.

Honestly, that sounds like a rather petty and unjustified response. If you're running the washing machine at night while you're asleep, and it's loud enough to disturb your neighbors, knocking on your door to mention it to you seems a reasonable step. If it was loud enough to disturb them, they might fairly assume you were not asleep.

 

[Bouji]

Originally Posted by lawyerdad

Honestly, that sounds like a rather petty and unjustified response. If you're running the washing machine at night while you're asleep, and it's loud enough to disturb your neighbors, knocking on your door to mention it to you seems a reasonable step. If it was loud enough to disturb them, they might fairly assume you were not asleep.

I live in a noisy part of Central London, quite honestly the ambient noise of sirens, traffic, and nearby restaurants/pubs was much greater.
It was a hot summer night, and my window was open a crack, so in my bedroom the noise outside was much louder.
I'm not trying to justify the situation here though, it's my apartment, and within the law, I will do whatever I like in it.

 

[sjmin209]

Originally Posted by hopkins_student

My issue is not with my neighbor

Given the fact that most of your comments (many of them sarcastic) are directed at her and not your apartment manager, I'm not sure this is the case.

 

[johnapril]

The sooner you learn you're the one at fault, the happier you'll be.

 

[Bouji]

Originally Posted by johnapril

The sooner you learn you're the one at fault, the happier you'll be.

Why is he at fault? It's his flat, and he's explicitly stating that it was a medium volume.

 

[johnapril]

Originally Posted by Bouji

Why is he at fault? It's his flat, and he's explicitly stating that it was a medium volume.

I'm talking politics and karma, that mix that winds up totally ******* you up if you don't find your way past it. I see him as a good candidate for detached housing.

 

[Bouji]

Originally Posted by johnapril

I'm talking politics and karma, that mix that winds up totally ******* you up if you don't find your way past it. I see him as a good candidate for detached housing.

Sure, I guess if he just kept the volume very low, he'd stay out of trouble, but in the same vein why should he? It seems to me that the complaining tenant is overly sensitive, rather than him being a rowdy resident.
I can perhaps see her side of her story if they lived in a quite town, but given that he has said that it is quite an expensive building to live in, I'd assume he lives in a large City, and if you live in somewhere like London, New York, or Paris, and you're sensitive to noise you've got a problem from the word go, even if the people in your building are as quiet as rodents.

 

[robin]

Originally Posted by Bouji

but in the same vein why should he?
Because it's a crime?

 

[hopkins_student]

Originally Posted by sjmin209

Given the fact that most of your comments (many of them sarcastic) are directed at her and not your apartment manager, I'm not sure this is the case.
I'm pissed at my manager for not intervening personally. I'm disappointed in my neighbor because she's couldn't think independently.

Originally Posted by johnapril

The sooner you learn you're the one at fault, the happier you'll be.
I accept fault to an extent. It's now clear to me that I was bothering her and I've taken steps to solve it. If it causes a disturbance in the future, I will accept fault for that. I don't accept fault for the disturbance prior to the warning because I had no idea the disturbance existed.

 

[Bouji]

Originally Posted by robin

Because it's a crime?

Only if he was actually doing that, which he was not.

 

[lawyerdad]

Originally Posted by hopkins_student

I'm pissed at my manager for not intervening personally. I'm disappointed in my neighbor because she's couldn't think independently.


Both reasonable reactions, I'd say.

 

[robin]

Originally Posted by Bouji

Only if he was actually doing that, which he was not.

 

[Bouji]

Originally Posted by hopkins_student

because I had no idea the disturbance existed.
Therefore, there is no way that he could be prosecuted in the United Kingdom at least, unless of course you continue to make noise.