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'iGent Myths Busted!'

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by VRaivio, Feb 9, 2013.

  1. aravenel

    aravenel Senior member

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    I would argue that most people have no choice. Given that so few people dress in tailored clothing anymore, and even fewer do it well, you're not likely to learn it from your father or from others around you. Most people have to seek it out.
     
  2. edmorel

    edmorel Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    how do you (or any of us) know that we are not simply brains in a vat? Is any of this really happening?
     
  3. Lovelace

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    They were never iron rules, they were guides. Developed to make dressing easier. It was dressing by numbers if you like.

    Sator's bases his argument on the wrong premise, That is, that the rules are rigid.

    Trade mags don't support his case either because Trade mags don't necessarily reflect what is worn at a given time but what the sponsors/advertisers would like to be worn. They are pushing a look, which may or may not have been adopted, Similar to those L. Fellows plates.

    Again, if the rules were rigid, there would have been little, to no evolution. We don't see many men dressed like Edwardians..
     
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  4. RogerP

    RogerP Senior member

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    +1
     
  5. Fuuma

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    Because you're always already involved in the world? Subject/object distinction is just fucking you up.

    "The world is not an object such that I have in my possession the law of its making; it is the natural setting of, and field for, all my thoughts and all my explicit perceptions. Truth does not 'inhabit' only 'the inner man', or more accurately, there is no inner man, man is in the world, and only in the world does he know himself." -Merleau-Ponty

    ps: I know you weren't seriously asking this but just so you know, this thing isn't that much of a philosophical problem nowadays...

    As for Sator I find him to be quite knowledgeable in the arcane minutiae of tailoring but he usually fails when trying to articulate great principles because he's a little too psychorigid.
     
  6. Veremund

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    Uh, wait, brown shoes and a navy suit look sweet together. Or am I insane? Actually, I hardly ever wear my black shoes. Only with my black suit, my tux, or,occasionally with grey pants. Otherwise, it's one of my 7 pairs of various shades of brown shoes. :D


     
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  7. Veremund

    Veremund Senior member

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    I'll drink to that!
     
  8. aravenel

    aravenel Senior member

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    I think he's referring to "no brown in town". I also think brown shoes with a navy suit look good.
     
  9. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Depends if you're American or English.
     
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  11. Veremund

    Veremund Senior member

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    But would you concede that not everything we like (on the hanger) looks good on us, or is flattering, and therefore would best be left on the hanger?
     
  12. Lovelace

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    Which begs the question of why you are posting on a clothing forum and have 3000 posts in little over 18 months.
     
  13. aportnoy

    aportnoy Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Finally someone with the guts to state the one irrefutable truth from which all others emanate. God bless you Manton.
     
  14. Veremund

    Veremund Senior member

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    I'm a weird mix of those two and German nowadays. :)

     
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    Veremund Senior member

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    He's a people person?
     
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  16. Ivar

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    Quite. I think "The Rules" should properly be viewed as a sort of sartorial "best practice".
     
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    Part of what I think Sator is getting at is the rigidity of the iGent mentality via the internet. He cites historical examples of rules/rule breaking but in the name of poking fun at people who learn a little and then propogate this knowledge as rules blindly without a proper knowledge base.
     
  18. Lovelace

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    Yes, but he himself is rigid in his denunciation.

    NJS was by far best contributor in that thread.
     
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    I don't disagree - I just saw this thread driving towards a debate of whether rigid rules really exist and away from (at least part) of what Sator was getting at. If he was rigid or otherwsie clumsy it distracts from his overall thesis.

    There has been much discussion on this board recently about these rules being the starting point for all aspiring styeforumites so it seems to me a worthy debate as to how these rules actually arise and whether they are simply old wives tales (no offence to old wives) passed along without any really questioning as to their validity or historical acuracy or whether they have some real basis.
     
  20. Cantabrigian

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    Sator is definitely the sort of guy who is likely to be persuaded by that. I think you'll find it well worth the effort.
     

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