'iGent Myths Busted!'

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by VRaivio, Feb 9, 2013.

  1. Balfour

    Balfour Senior member

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    You see many sartorial offences in London, but I would feel very out of place wearing country colours in London other than perhaps for a weekend walk in Hyde Park.
     
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  2. razl

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    My recollection is that most of his browns spanned the seventies to early eighties and felt like more a result of the times (the seventies, ugh...) than individual sartorial rule bending.
     
  3. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    At the same time, if you work in a Silicon Valley company, and you wear a tie, much less a jacket, and it will be remarked upon.

    In academia, outside of maybe business or law schools, you could wear a three piece suit everyday, or an old tee shirt and cheap jeans, and no one would care. You'd have to be completely naked or dressed like a pirate for people to start taking notice.

    Outside of communities like this, I think that the "language of classic menswear", as Foo has called it before, is degraded to the point that it can used only to broadcast the most general of signals.
     
  4. chogall

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    Disagree about the Silicon Valley comment. There are enough weirdos and nerds here that wearing a tie or a jacket in the casual sense won't attract that much attention. It's pretty common sight at SOMA techs. Just another form of hipster costume.

    But of course, two piece navy suits with black knit tie on pale blue shirt and polished cap toes will look very out of place at the tech world. Unless you are Jack Dorsey.
     
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    If you can get it to work without looking costumey, all the more power to you. The rest of us mere mortals are better for the "rules".
     
  6. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    I think these guys ought to really stick it to the man, have the courage of their convictions, etc.

    Time for a DB notch DJ, in brown.

    You have nothing to lose but your chains!
     
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    Is that forum seriously still around?
     
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  9. JLibourel

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    Having paid at least a modest amount of attention to sartorial matters most of my fairly long adult life, including almost 40 years before I discovered the clothing fora, Sator's post merely confirms a lot of what I have suspected right along (and sometimes articulated here and elsewhere in forumland).
     
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    I was actually at a black tie 'do' a few years back where I saw a man wearing a dark brown velvet smoking jacket. I liked it, had a louche, fin de si├Ęcle look to. If only he'd have been sipping Absinthe out of a Lalique glass.
     
  11. Trompe le Monde

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    most people cant seem to be able to think for themselves. sad
     
  12. RogerP

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    Tip of the hat to Sator - well written and most informative.
     
  13. dieworkwear

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    I bet I can find one case of someone thinking of themselves 150 years ago - the account being published in an obscure trade journal - that would prove your statement wrong.
     
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    I don't get what the big deal is with "busting" the "iGent myth". I always thought the "rules", whatever they are, serve as an outline for a coherent means to build a wardrobe full of versatile pieces. So what if, for instance, there's some evidence that men did wear tuxedos with notched lapels? Whether or not that's "correct" isn't the point - the point seems to be that one should understand the difference between what the notched and peak lapels are supposed to convey and then decide for themselves what is most appropriate. But maybe it's more fun to suppose there are many god-given sets of "rules" and then have the various adherents wage a holy war upon one another. Or maybe I'm missing the point entirely here.
     
  15. Geezer

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    +1

    I am tired of posting on this and other fora that there are no rules, only time and place-specific conventions.

    Item: I and every other middle-class Englishman that I knew grew up believing that a black full-brogue was acceptable CBD footwear in the UK.

    Apparently, we were all wrong, as were our fathers and grandfathers, from some of whom we inherited those black full brogues, because some Americans on the internet, reading books written by Americans or a German, said so.

    It is not relevant that I have not bought a pair of black full brogues in twenty years. :)
     

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