I have owned/tried a number of denim cuts throughout the years from APC NS's, Jean Shop rockers, RRL slim and slim boot, etc. It wasn't until recently that I tried on the J. Crew 484 slim's and they fit me the best by far, out of everything I have tried. With that said I am not a big fan of the Crew. Has anybody tried these and can reccomend something lese that fits pretty much exactly the same? From pics, I was thinking APC petit std. but I have yet to see them in person or try them on. The 484 just seems to be to perfectly slim (w/o leaving bagginess in the crotch or hips) and w/o being tooo skinny (i.e., skin tight).