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Oh, yeah, sorry. The farmer thing too.
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Tokyo,
This is an age old debate, but "almost everyone you've talked to" is pretty vague. There are quite a few serious home defense expert type people who strongly reccomend AGAINST using a shotgun as your primary home defense weapon for the very reasons I mentioned. Not only is it incredibly awkward to try and use in most home defense situations, walking from room to room with the shotgun leading the way is a bad idea. Having the shotgun pointed at the floor or ceiling is an even worse idea. The increased length of the gun and its position far away from your body when at the ready gives a close range burgler/******/murderer/etc. a lot of leverage against you. Long guns, no suprise, are at their best outside the home, not in it. Collateral damage with buckshot isn't really any less than with a 9mm, its just spread out over a much larger area and will cause more secondary trauma like electrical shortages, gas and water leaks, stray shot hitting bystanders, and etc. Buckshot WILL penetrate several layers of drywall, just so you know. Hell, it will penetrate an 8 gauge metal deer crossing sign on any rural road in B.F. USA at ten paces. Only the most fortunate amongst us have a home with rooms that span more than ten paces across.
This is why no one can decide for someone else.
This is why no one can decide for someone else.
Tokyo, I understand where you are coming from with some of your shotgun info. However, for home defense, it is still my preference. Stopping power is easily the most important thing for me, and no pistol can put a human being down as effectively as a shotgun. This is the biggest advantage, and the most important argument I have. Forget about lucky shot placement with a pistol, your odds of being able to hit a moving target are better with the scatter gun, especially in the dark or if you yourself are on the move or possible firing around a corner without an aimed shot. One thing you can do with a shotgun is use different rounds also, I would not have the first round chambered with buckshot, but rather bird shot. This will not penetrate walls fyi. As far as the argument of being able to take a long gun away as you say there is more leverage, I don't buy it. I think it is easier to dissarm a man with a pistol than an 18 inch shotgun in close combat. Again, this is my preference in my home where I know the lay out, others may feel differently.
So let me get this straight, you buy a shotgun based solely for stopping power, then you load your first shot with a round that is weak enough that it might or might not completely disable the attacker. Interesting. I know two people who have been shot at fairly close range with bird shot. They are both still very alive. I'm sure it hurts real bad though.
Yes this is how I load my first round, it is great stopping power. I said stopping power was most important to me, not neccessarily killing power. Shoot anyone with a 12 gauge at fairly close quarters (a house) with it and they will go down rather fast. You may want to look into why the Army is issuing alot of Mossberg 12 ga pumps in Iraq for this very reason.
Less chance of me accidentally killing my next door or downstairs neighbor with a knife while defending myself in my living room. Its a courtesy thing.Too bad you felt more comfortable with the iron bar than the shotgun. You should have practiced with the Winchester more.
The US army is issuing soldiers with bird shot? I doubt it.
I doubt it too, but I didn't say they were using this round either. Fwiw, I didn't say I didn't use buck in my remaining rounds , I did say the first round.
I have a Kabar next to my bed and a SOG pentagon in the car. I don't own a gun until approximately 2011.I see you own a knife too, be careful and don't cut yourself.
The downside to slugs in a home defense gun is that they penetrate like mad!