Sartorial temptations never taken

Manton · Oct 22, 2008

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

Desperation is the mother of photo enlargement.

Mahon's is probably not as complex to make as mine was but it is interesting that he veered from the curved one that A&S apparently exalts.

I didn't need to enlarge the photo to see the curve. Concordia is notoriously as blind as Mr. Magoo, however.

To know whether the complexity of the traditional sleeve cuff is as hard to make as yours, we would have to have a clear explanation of how yours is made. I have asked and asked, but you have not obliged.

And you continue to dodge the other, more important points: the cut through button, the closure of the sleeve vent, and the "slapped on" nature of your cuff. What gives?

Come on. If I am so dumb, so rote, so hidebound, so slavish, so tasteless, so utterly inferior to you in every way, it should be childsplay for you to crush me in a fair fight.

So why don't you?

Manton · Oct 22, 2008

Originally Posted by passingtime

These were for business and sack suits and although they weren't run of the mill they must have been made in enough quantity to be worth including. In the same way that the Apparel Arts plates do that book provides ideas and as with Apparel Arts while I wouldn't copy the exact style I'll happily cherry pick details. The age of a book or plate only really matters if you intend to copy it wholesale.

I went through a lot of history books and plates and pattern books this evening, and did indeed find a few pre-WWI examples of sleeve cuffs, but all of them on sports clothing. No lounge/sack suits. And none of them looked like FNB's. Not dispositive, I realize.

Then again, he more or less said that his style was invented by two guys in NY in the '50s, so it was unlikely I was going to find much more than I found.

Fuuma · Oct 22, 2008

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

Click Will's hand and you will be magically transported.

- B

This looks ugly....

Will · Oct 22, 2008

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

Can I get a link to this cuffed suit article?

My cuff was copied from one of Ian Fleming's suits dating from the 1960's. I wanted something that Fuuma could comment on.

voxsartoria · Oct 22, 2008

Originally Posted by Will

My cuff was copied from one of Ian Fleming's suits dating from the 1960's. I wanted something that Fuuma could comment on.

He's talking about the carpet.

- B

voxsartoria · Oct 22, 2008

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

If you have a better tailor, pony up.

Actually, I have two projects with my guy that incorporate a suggestion from you.

It's not the cuffs, though.

- B

itsstillmatt · Oct 22, 2008

Can somebody summarize this thread for me so that I can give a witty response?

voxsartoria · Oct 22, 2008

Originally Posted by Manton

Then again, he more or less said that his style was invented by two guys in NY in the '50s, so it was unlikely I was going to find much more than I found.

Maybe he meant the west 50s.

- B

Manton · Oct 22, 2008

Originally Posted by iammatt

Can somebody summarize this thread for me so that I can give a witty response?

FNB's ugly cuff is the only correct and stylish way to make sleeve cuffs. The fact that it is ugly and no one else does it this way is only proof of its refinement. Sort of like how it's the smelliest cheeses that three or four cheese aficionados like the most.

Actually, I have sympathy with the cheese buffs to some extent, but FNB is -- as usual -- full of it.

Fuuma · Oct 22, 2008

Originally Posted by iammatt

Can somebody summarize this thread for me so that I can give a witty response?

1) FNB posts his weird cuffs
2) Manton says it's not the way it's supposed to be done
3) FNB says it requires more work hence is better and shows some pics from the stone age having similar cuffs
4) **** hits the fan
5) Someone posts an ugly cuff
6) The honourable R.J. Man from Man, Bear, Pig and ASS enters the fray
7) I think most of these suits are ugly so who cares how people wore their ugly in the 30s

I skipped most of the discussion but that's my take on it

voxsartoria · Oct 22, 2008

Originally Posted by iammatt

Can somebody summarize this thread for me so that I can give a witty response?

- B

itsstillmatt · Oct 22, 2008

Originally Posted by Fuuma

1) FNB posts his weird cuffs
2) Manton says it's not the way it's supposed to be done
3) FNB says it requires more work hence is better and shows some pics from the stone age having similar cuffs
4) **** hits the fan
5) Someone posts an ugly cuff
6) The honourable R.J. Man from Man, Bear, Pig and ASS enters the fray
7) I think most of these suits are ugly so who cares how people wore their ugly in the 30s

I skipped most of the discussion but that's my take on it
OK. I've seen Will's cuffs in person. I told him that I didn't really like them much. I like them more than the other version.

LabelKing · Oct 22, 2008

I've seen some vintage late '50s suits by Ted Lapidus that have some interesting turnback cuffs.

Manton · Oct 22, 2008

Originally Posted by Fuuma

1) FNB posts his weird cuffs
2) Manton says it's not the way it's supposed to be done
3) FNB says it requires more work hence is better and shows some pics from the stone age having similar cuffs
4) **** hits the fan
5) Someone posts an ugly cuff
6) The honourable R.J. Man from Man, Bear, Pig and ASS enters the fray
7) I think most of these suits are ugly so who cares how people wore their ugly in the 30s

I skipped most of the discussion but that's my take on it

Basically, you wear a silk black shirt, black shirt, black shoes, and spike your hair every day. Is that about right?

Not a dig. I know you get more @$$ than I do.

dopey · Oct 22, 2008

Originally Posted by iammatt

Can somebody summarize this thread for me so that I can give a witty response?

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