Greenfield on Gilt

Originally Posted by sho'nuff

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definitely.
i would be scared to pay 1000 dollars for a blazer that you think youre getting and only to find out you have to return it for credit. credit you'll be hardpressed to find to spend on anything for the following months to come. eventually, you'll succumb to just picking up random items here and there just to use the credit.

Or you can sell it sho'nuff with a 20%-30% discount like I usually have to do.

I want to get the blazer, but I don't want to get stuck with the credit.

Originally Posted by gdl203

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How long was your own high-end retail buying experience before you became a Gilt buyer? Candid question, since you bring it up.

8-ish years

Originally Posted by chorse123

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But they're not listing it as a comparative retail price at all; it clearly says "original price." It's worse than a fiction, it's completely disingenuous.
Disingenuous = standard retail practice So if Brand X has an order for store Y and store Y goes out of business 3 weeks before they deliver the order and they sell it off to us what does Gilt put as the MSRP price "If The Store Didn't Close and Had a Chance to Sell This It Would Be $____"?

Originally Posted by sfnapolifan

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the isaia i've purchased at gilt is certainly not as good as what you'd find in stores, but that's solely a matter of the fabrics used--construction and styling are up to par.

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Really? Most of the Isaia sold on Gilt had to have the Saks/Neiman Marcus tags removed from them before they were shipped to customers.

Originally Posted by jhva3

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Sorry, what definition of fake are you working with here? They were never sold at retail. They were never sold at that price. That price that they(you?) are purportedly marking them down from has never existed. In no way does it say "comparative retail" either. It says "original price" and "retail." If that isn't illegal, it is sure as **** completely unethical. Do you know what original means? It doesn't mean "what these items would be sold for if they were made for a full-price account." These are items which went directly from the factory to an online store. How is the price Gilt is selling it for not the actual retail price? Who are these full price accounts you are referring to? Are you saying that if they made suits of this quality for a designer brand that spent a fortune on advertising and also had a retail store, that they would be sold for this price? This fake or "comparative" retail price seems to be similar to what Rag and Bone charges for a suit. Until there is a Gilt-brand retail store that is selling these suits at these prices(no one would buy them) then that is a fake price. They (you?) are selling pricey items on very limited information and they are unreturnable. They (you?) should seriously think about whether it is worthwhile to build some trust with your customers. If someone tried to pull this bullshit on styleforum, they would be laughed off buyers and sellers. I dare you to try to and sell one of those made for gilt suits on B&S while stating the original price as whatever gilt says it is. Like I've said before, I've gotten some good deals on Gilt, but I've also been burnt quite a few times. I spend a fortune on clothes, and I am more comfortable purchasing something from a stranger in another country on an online message board than buying something from Gilt.
Are you buying because something says X% off or because you are buying it for $Y and you see it valued at what you want to pay?

Originally Posted by SoCal2NYC

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8-ish years

That's a decent experience. I did not realize one high end retail stores had 16 year old buyers.

Originally Posted by SoCal2NYC

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Disingenuous = standard retail practice

So if Brand X has an order for store Y and store Y goes out of business 3 weeks before they deliver the order and they sell it off to us what does Gilt put as the MSRP price "If The Store Didn't Close and Had a Chance to Sell This It Would Be $____"?

With the MGxGilt stuff, none of it was ever meant to be sold at retail anywhere.

It may well be comparable to stuff sold at retail for that price, but, in this case, the 'original price' is a fiction.

There are more straightforward words that other discounters use: 'compare to' for example.

Originally Posted by Bull

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Otto, I generally enjoy your posts, but you're an idiot.

there are worse fates than being an enjoyable idiot

you are right. sorry for my rant. but i stand by my view that you are arriving at lots of possibly unwarranted conclusions based on one incident without real facts, and then using that house of cards to launch a broad condemnation of a company that is a clearing-house for hundreds of brands and thousands of products that range from great to, admittedly, meh. there are lots of opportunities to step into the doodoo with gilt, and plenty of good things to be picked up as well.

(BTW, don't you think that if gilt had commissioned zegna to make a line specially for them, they'd be crowing from every rooftop about it? the reality is much more likely that zegna just made a bunch of crap blazers, they didn't sell, and they dumped them on gilt. simpler explanations are generally more likely to be true than complicated conspiracy theories.)

more generally, gilt-bashing is kind of yesterday's news - let's move on guys.

I'm I too late for the sale?


- B

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

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I'm I too late for the sale?


- B

They sold out of your size, which they never had to begin with.

Originally Posted by SoCal2NYC

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Really? Most of the Isaia sold on Gilt had to have the Saks/Neiman Marcus tags removed from them before they were shipped to customers.

i bought one isaia blazer from gilt. it was ex-Neimans product. still had the neimans tag on. so there goes the theory that isaia, luciano, etc bought on gilt is any less good than "what you get in stores". and i can attest to the fact that it is every bit as good as my other isaia's, with the only discernable difference being a very slightly roomier cut.

i am highly skeptical of the proposition that top brands bought on gilt are any worse than what you'd get in a store or from other sources. it's a convenient theory but is highly suspect. having said that, i CAN see how gilt might commission some product specially for them, but i would suspect it would have to meet some minimum production volume threshold to deliver the economies of scale needed for a custom order. which means that the low-volume, high-priced stuff is probably out of consideration. i acknowledge that they clearly commissioned greenfield to do today's sale, but the totality of the work order was obviously quite large based on the number of items and sizes posted. this is a very different proposition from a stray isaia jacket or luciano suit in a non-mainstream color that is available in tiny quantities in weird sizes - gilt is not going to go to barbera and say "make me 10 suits in size 58 EUR in a grey pink pinstripe". [i exaggerate to make the point.] it doesn't hold up.

Originally Posted by jhva3

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If someone tried to pull this bullshit on styleforum, they would be laughed off buyers and sellers. I dare you to try to and sell one of those made for gilt suits on B&S while stating the original price as whatever gilt says it is.

if individuals on a friendly community board tried the marketing tactics that MOST companies do, they'd be laughed off the board. but they are a company after all. marketing practices of most companies are designed for the middle of the bell curve. not the outer edges of the sartorial intelligentsia.

i am not opposed to the notion of showing a fictitious price, provided it's reasonable. it's a way of communicating value. i'm sure that a good 2/3 of gilt's suit-buying customers aren't super-savvy about what constitutes real quality and will use price as a proxy for quality. i also know that i'd never be able to find a fully-canvassed suit for $1000 LIST (let's not compare it to best-case scenarios where you unearth the holy grail on B&S for <$500, please.) so - if greenfield were to sell these suits through a retail channel - what would they cost - fair market value? i'm guessing that, in terms of quality, they are probably roughly similar to a canali. let's deduct a couple of hundred for the weaker brand. so we're up to a bit less than 1500 (keep in mind that a HALF-canvassed suit from hickey goes for 1200 or so). i'd be perfectly comfortable with gilt indicating something in the 1200-1500 range as a hypothetical retail price. (i will concede that 2000 is a bit OTT - neither gilt nor greenfield has the brand to command that.)

Originally Posted by OttoSkadelig

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i am not opposed to the notion of showing a fictitious price, provided it's reasonable. it's a way of communicating value. i'm sure that a good 2/3 of gilt's suit-buying customers aren't super-savvy about what constitutes real quality and will use price as a proxy for quality.
wow

I'm not comfortable with the length of those jackets. If most of the regulars are up to the wrist, the shorts must look like a half tshirt.

It's times like this that I'm happy that Gilt refuses to ship to Canada.