Greenfield on Gilt

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by rdlrkl, Jul 13, 2010.

  1. normusmaximus

    normusmaximus Senior member

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    If Gilt had a full refund policy, I'd have pulled the trigger in case the suit I was looking to pick up didn't fit. Credit that expires in a year? Boo urns.

    Still, that navy cotton combo did look awfully tempting...
     


  2. gdl203

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    I am not envisioning a lot of sold out stamps during this sale

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    wow. so you have derived your sweeping conclusion from a) one article, and b) over aesthetic choices that were made by Zegna rather than Gilt?

    did gilt advertise that it was mainline? even if it did, how do you know it wasn't? are you aware that brands do change their specs? for example, armani collezioni sometimes makes fused suits, sometimes they don't. shoulder padding varies over time and by model. i could go on. how do you know that your blazer wasn't one of Zegna's more old-school cuts? or that it was an unsuccessful model for some of the stylistic reasons you mention, thereby explaining why it ended up getting dumped on gilt in the first place?

    and how do you know that zegna made it specially for gilt? gilt deals primarily in low-volume remainders -- especially as far as the european luxury brands are concerned. i think it is highly unlikely, bordering on absurd, that they would commission zegna to make a small number of unfashionably-cut blazers, especially given that the overall profile of the stuff they sell is clearly leaning towards the young, trendy buyer. surely they know their customers a bit better.

    and BTW, i don't think $1500-ish for a zegna canvassed blazer is absurd. have you checked zegna's pricing recently? whether or not it flatters your body is hardly relevant and i doubt zegna factored that consideration into their list pricing. maybe they designed it for a middle-aged body that needs stronger shoulders. maybe some buyers don't like a light canvas.

    i have no illusions about gilt either. all they do is provide arbitrage between leftover trickles of luxury or pseudo-luxury goods from various sources and buyers that otherwise have limited access to them. everyone wins, and gilt makes a pile of money. sometimes their stuff is great, sometimes it is merely okay / meh. i recognize the value of the service they provide but am a lukewarm fan at best.

    but this reaction is so ridiculously over-the-top (and more importantly, based on ONE experience and around issues that originate with the manufacturer?!) that i don't even know where to begin.

    dude, i think you need to drink more decaf and unclench. and worry a bit less about jumping so energetically on the "gilt sucks" SF bandwagon. or at least, do so with a better reasoned case.


    Otto, I generally enjoy your posts, but you're an idiot. It has been well-established that Gilt got too big for its britches, ran out of "leftovers" to sell, and started commissioning designers to make stuff for them, to their specs, AS THEY DID TODAY WITH THE MARTIN GREENFIELD SALE. And as they did with the Brooks Brothers line sold earlier in the week. It's not arbitrage any more - they've become a glorified Off Fifth - except, unlike Off Fifth, THEY DON'T DO REFUNDS. Gilt sold a full size run of Zegna blazers - how on EARTH did they have ample jackets in a full size run unless the jackets were made for Gilt? Oh, yeah - pursuant to your reasoning, Zegna had boxes and boxes of old, mainline blazers sitting around, and they shipped them to Gilt. Jesus....
     


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    Classic. Quoting yourself. Now only if I posted things that were worth re-quoting myself.
     


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    Classic. Quoting yourself. Now only if I posted things that were worth re-quoting myself.

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    Classic. Quoting yourself. Now only if I posted things that were worth re-quoting myself.
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    Oh, yeah - pursuant to your reasoning, Zegna had boxes and boxes of old, mainline blazers sitting around, and they shipped them to Gilt. Jesus....

    You do realize that in the clothing business, Zegna is a major player, with many manufacturing facilities in many different countries, tons of models and warehouses full of inventory, etc..., right? So yes...very possible.

    Fok.
     


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    I'm a Greenfield customer, with several suits and jackets under my belt. The prices on the Gilt suits are very very good, and I am pretty sure I know which cloth their using (Gladson S120s wool w 1% cashmere). But it is not MTM...so the price isnt so good afterall, methinks.

    However, I am thinking the trousers are a good deal, since Greenfield MTM trousers are $350 as I recall. Worth pulling the trigger, then taking them out to Greenfield for final fitting?

    Goph
     


  10. Bull

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    You do realize that in the clothing business, Zegna is a major player, with many manufacturing facilities in many different countries, tons of models and warehouses full of inventory, etc..., right? So yes...very possible.

    Fok.


    That's not exactly how supply chains work, chief, but OK. I'd call it "remotely conceivable, but highly unlikely." Happy?
     


  11. mack11211

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    Gilt is dancing as fast as it can.

    Like a B&M outlet store, it started with samples, overstocks and closeouts.

    It was a good time for the Gilt model: fewer competitors, plus a glut of overproduction due to the economy tanking.

    Now there are more competitors and production has been trimmed.

    So Gilt does what every nearly company with outlet stores has done, shift from a passive recipient buyer to an active collaborator in creating the stock it acquires.

    Depending on the numbers, it could mean simply letting production run longer. Or it could mean a separate run with different specs, just as B&M outlet stores eventually created their own lines (i.e., 346 for Brooks Brothers outlets).

    The Gilt merch probably spans the spectrum. And there is some fiddling -- for example, the "original price' of the MGxGilt stuff is a fiction, since it was never sold at retail anywhere.

    On the other hand, they are being completely open on how this line was created by and for Gilt, so points for honesty there.

    One big reason all of this rankles is the no-refund policy. Sooner or later, some online flash-seller will offer it. Then the others will be pressed to follow.
     


  12. SoCal2NYC

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    Otto, I generally enjoy your posts, but you're an idiot. It has been well-established that Gilt got too big for its britches, ran out of "leftovers" to sell, and started commissioning designers to make stuff for them, to their specs, AS THEY DID TODAY WITH THE MARTIN GREENFIELD SALE. And as they did with the Brooks Brothers line sold earlier in the week. It's not arbitrage any more - they've become a glorified Off Fifth - except, unlike Off Fifth, THEY DON'T DO REFUNDS. Gilt sold a full size run of Zegna blazers - how on EARTH did they have ample jackets in a full size run unless the jackets were made for Gilt? Oh, yeah - pursuant to your reasoning, Zegna had boxes and boxes of old, mainline blazers sitting around, and they shipped them to Gilt. Jesus....

    Brooks Brothers didn't produce anything for Gilt. That was actually a preview of their new "Heritage" (Rugby, Gant, etc) line that will hit stores in August.

    And yes, Zenga just had boxes sitting around.
     


  13. SoCal2NYC

    SoCal2NYC Fashion Hayzus

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    I cannot believe that they are putting fake retail prices after they caught shit for it previously. I mean everyone knows that this stuff never was sold at retail. Those retail prices are likely what his suits go for if sold by an actual designer.

    A comparative original retail is not a "fake retail" price. Had these been done/made for a full-price account this is what they would have sold them at.
     


  14. Balthazar

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    Speaking of retail prices, are those prices on the Thomas Pink shirts accurate? $215? Wouldn't that put them above T&A and H&K in terms of pricing? Seems off.

    Just wondering really, I have no intention of buying any.
     


  15. SoCal2NYC

    SoCal2NYC Fashion Hayzus

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    This comment was pretty good:
    Oh, yippee, I can't wait to spend $900 on a suit designed by the head buyer of a discount clothing website that I can't try on and can't return for anything other than store credit! I'm counting down the seconds until 9 am!

    The suits are underwhelming. Had MG designed the line they may been on to something.

    lefty


    The men's buying team all came from full price Saks and Barneys.
     


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