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Unfunded Liabilities: a/k/a The Cloth Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Feb 10, 2008.

  1. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    what really is the point in buying all this fabric?

    Well, on the one hand I agree with you. It is a lot of cloth, and it will take eons to make.

    I do sometimes save a bit of money, though not a lot. The real reason I bought nearly every piece because it was something I wanted to have, and had never seen it in the books. Every piece up there is, if not necessarily unique, at least rare in some way or other.
     
  2. Grammaton Cleric

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    Well, on the one hand I agree with you. It is a lot cloth, and it will take eons to make.

    I do sometimes save a bit of money, though not a lot. The real reason I bought nearly every piece because it was something I wanted to have, and had never seen it in the books. Every piece up there is, if not necessarily unique, at least rare in some way or other.


    Gotcha. Some of the pics looked standard to me but, then again, a computer monitor often does not show all.
     
  3. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Donkey flannel: totally unique color, not in any current books.

    Dove gray w/f: if not unique, then at least the best of its kind I have seen. And I don't know that it is available in any current book.

    Blue triple check: a one-off exclusive.

    Charcoal chalk: common enough, but I got a good deal on that and succumbed. Plus it's made by a mill I like that does not sell much over here.

    Brown plaid w/blue: probably still available, but it's from a book that is running out and that I know will not be remade.

    Brown plaid w/red: one-off exclusive.

    Brown 3x3 worsted: totally unique.

    The three sharks: I could get something like them from the books, but the light one is better than other light sharks I have seen, and the darker ones are just killer quality.

    The blue w/royal nailhead and silk: totally unique.

    The gab: English gab is getting harder to find; the Italians have taken it over. Plus, Burma shade is something I had thought was all in the past until I found that.

    Triple dot nailhead: I've seen that pattern, and that color, but never together in one cloth.

    Nailhead fresco: the only ones I know in current books are in Crispaire, and I don't like that book.

    The tan 3x3 window: totally unique.

    The mohairs: all rare and all gone.

    First linen: I've seen tan, and I've seen cream, but not this. This I like better.

    Ditto on the blue: it's not quite so dark as a true navy. I think linen is better in this color.

    The olive I could have gotten anywhere, but that was cheap for good linen.

    And the gray -- I don't know where to get that. Not in the three good linen books: H&S, Drapers, or W. Bill.

    And, finally, some day the makers of all this kind of stiff are going to go out of business. No joke. When that happens, I will be glad I have this stuff.
     
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    unpainted huffheinz Senior member

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    Are you finding all of these in NYC (Tip Top, etc) or through traveling? I am guessing none of them are ordered online.
     
  5. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Most through Tip Top. They comb through European closeouts so I don't have to!
     
  6. Roger

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    I sure wish Tip Top offered an online, or distance, service. I fully realize that it's always best to handle the fabric and see it in the flesh, but here in Vancouver, about all I can do is look through the books and order either in connection with a suit, jacket, or trousers project or at a helluva premium to get just the fabric.
     
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    And, finally, some day the makers of all this kind of stiff are going to go out of business. No joke. When that happens, I will be glad I have this stuff.

    Damn, dude: you're depressing me.

    - B
     
  8. kitonbrioni

    kitonbrioni Senior member

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    This is a great thread. Thanks for posting the pictures and commentary.
     
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    Parker Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    That 3x3 dull tan is amazing!!

    +1. I like the grey flannels, too. I hope there will be future assets to fulfill a few of these promised benefits!

    Side note: What is the difference between woolen and worsted flannels? I think the woolens are not combed, but how does that translate in feel or drape?
     
  10. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Worsted flannel wears a little better, and holds a crease a little longer. It also won't "bag" like woolen flannel tends to do with repeated wearings.

    That said, woolen flannel typically has more character and is more interesting, in my opinion.
     
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    Cloth is so easy to hoard but so hard to use [​IMG] I have a bunch of it and I've been telling myself I'd use it all one day.
     
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    This is a habit I definitely do not need to acquire. I'm almost relieved that I wouldn't know what to do with these lengths of cloth even if I had them. I have a feeling that finding out would be hazardous to my health.
     
  13. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Happily, it is a habit that I believe I have broken ... for now.
     
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    Manton,

    Beautiful cloth. Thanks for sharing.

    What's the wearable season range on that Kevlar?
     
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    manton: how often do you get to wear the 12-14oz. cloth in New York? I would imagine that's very much a 4 month weight for NYC.
     
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    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    And, as I recall, you do own one of those.

    More than one, I think. And many others that are not illustrated. But do as I say, not as I do. Get help.
     
  17. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    What's the wearable season range on that Kevlar?

    For me it would be spring/fall.

    manton: how often do you get to wear the 12-14oz. cloth in New York? I would imagine that's very much a 4 month weight for NYC.
    Yeah, 3-4 months. Five in a cold winter.
     
  18. Mildly Consumptive

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    Oh my this is a swell thread. Finally, a good cover term for this problem. Can anyone post their unfunded liabilities in this thread? I feel like I have 4 to 8 years worth of liabilities sitting on my mantle.
     
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    Brown plaid w/blue: probably still available, but it's from a book that is running out and that I know will not be remade.

    Whodunnit? I like very much.
     
  20. Master Shake

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    I fortunately don't have that many unfunded liabilities (great term), but I am expecting several more from London Lounge commissions. I'll try to post photos sometime soon.
     

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