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The umbrella, cane, riding crop and miscellaneous accessories porn thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by DocHolliday, Jun 27, 2008.

  1. RJE

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    By whom?

    SAB.
     
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    Seems like there have been quite a few complaints about the Papworth seconds. I had toyed with getting one, but I think I'll pass.

    I haven't had any problems with my briggs from the papworth store I mine is probably the cheapest one they make. It only costed 35 GBP at the store. Its been through lots of storms and not at all damaged
     
  3. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I haven't had any problems with my briggs from the papworth store I mine is probably the cheapest one they make. It only costed 35 GBP at the store. Its been through lots of storms and not at all damaged

    Yeah, it's hard to know how to judge it. I paid full retail for my Brigg (shocking, I know), and haven't had any problems. But I know quite a few people bought the Papworths, so I'm not sure if the greater number of complaints among Papworth owners is a reflection of corner-cutting or a function of the greater number of people who bought the seconds vs. paying retail. I'm guessing it's probably a combination of both.

    It's probably not that different than shopping at, say, a Polo outlet. I've bought plenty of lovely, first-quality items, but periodically find a suit with the wrong-sized trou or a coat with a large hole in it. Good to check these things in person, if possible.
     
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    I'll have some good umbrella pr0n to contribute soon: my latest order for metal shafted umbrellas (including some custom colors) arrived from Brigg.
     
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    I'll have some good umbrella pr0n to contribute soon: my latest order for metal shafted umbrellas (including some custom colors) arrived from Brigg.

    How soon will they be on your site for viewing/purchase? Thanks.

    Aaron
     
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    Hopefully by the end of the week.
     
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    I'll have some good umbrella pr0n to contribute soon: my latest order for metal shafted umbrellas (including some custom colors) arrived from Brigg.

    Do you get huge discounts from Brigg because it's custom?. There's a shop here in the Netherlands which sells Brigg. Their brolly's have a Royal Warrant, but no Swaine Adeney branding. Prices are around 170 euros for solid sticks, far from 220 gbp on SAB site.

    There's another shop in Amsterdam that sells fox umbrella's. The shop owner got interviewed and he told the reporter that fox umbrella's are quality-wise the same as Brigg, Brigg's are more expensive because they spend more on marketing. That's why he doesn't stock Brigg anymore.

    Can't wait to see more pictures, although I'm already settled on fox...
     
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    Hopefully by the end of the week.
    Good, I'm anxious to see them.
     
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    The shop owner got interviewed and he told the reporter that fox umbrella's are quality-wise the same as Brigg, Brigg's are more expensive because they spend more on marketing. That's why he doesn't stock Brigg anymore.

    Yeah, I see brigg in magazines and on billboards all the time
     
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    Well, don't JS and Briggs use Fox frames for their metal tube umbrellas?
     
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    Is that your first Brigg, Steven? Maple is always a solid choice.

    There seems to be - atleast in the pictures I have seen - a rather big difference in colour of the shaft. In some pics they are very dark and with a gold RW Collar. In others they appear more light and with a silver RW Collar. I realize of course, that the colour in wood can change, but it seems that none of the websites where you can get them, mentions this...

    Surely this would be a rather important factor. It is to me anyways...
     
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    I'll have some good umbrella pr0n to contribute soon: my latest order for metal shafted umbrellas (including some custom colors) arrived from Brigg.

    Seeing as though we are once again speaking of the quality of the Brigg umbrella, I seem to remember you posting something about that in a thread...About the difference in qulity I mean. Something about the Ash being a better qulity than the Malacca, as evident by the price the the HY shop. I remember wondering about it at the time, seeing as the price difference between the Ash and the Malacca is not that great on the SAB website. Around 20 pounds, if I remember correctly. Any chance you could post your thoughts again, or direct me to where you posted it so I can see it again...
     
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    Do you get huge discounts from Brigg because it's custom?. There's a shop here in the Netherlands which sells Brigg. Their brolly's have a Royal Warrant, but no Swaine Adeney branding. Prices are around 170 euros for solid sticks, far from 220 gbp on SAB site.
    That's a good price for a Brigg solid stick, assuming that they have all the top-of-the-line construction and materials. Are they branded with the shop's name and not labeled Brigg? I buy them wholesale, but it is very far from a huge discount. The umbrellas have among the tightest margins of anything I carry. They're barely worth selling in terms of actually making money, but I do because I like them.
    Seeing as though we are once again speaking of the quality of the Brigg umbrella, I seem to remember you posting something about that in a thread...About the difference in qulity I mean. Something about the Ash being a better qulity than the Malacca, as evident by the price the the HY shop. I remember wondering about it at the time, seeing as the price difference between the Ash and the Malacca is not that great on the SAB website. Around 20 pounds, if I remember correctly. Any chance you could post your thoughts again, or direct me to where you posted it so I can see it again...
    Those posts were about two different types of umbrellas Brigg makes (the top-of-the-line gentleman's umbrella and the thin metal shafted. It just so happened that the ones I had available at the time for reference were bark ash solid stick and the thin metal shafted malacca. If they're both made to the top-of-the-line specs, I wouldn't say that the bark ash is an objectively better umbrella, although I haven't put them through a decade of wear and tear. It's mostly a matter of preference.
     
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    Well, don't JS and Briggs use Fox frames for their metal tube umbrellas?

    If I understand correctly, Fox frames are not by the Fox umbrella manufacturer, but by a company called Hoyland Fox.
     
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    If I understand correctly, Fox frames are not by the Fox umbrella manufacturer, but by a company called Hoyland Fox.
    Didn't know that. So no connection at all?
     
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    Didn't know that. So no connection at all?

    The Fox umbrella company was founded in London in the 1860s by one Thomas Fox, who offered umbrellas with frames made of whalebone. The lighter Fox frame was invented independently by Samuel Fox, who was not related to Thomas Fox. Fox umbrellas, however, began using the Fox frame, as did umbrella manufacturers in general.
     
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    Was it very windy? Is it a 10-rib umbrella? As I've reported here a couple times, one of my Briggs umbrella bent a rib against NY's strong wind like it was warm butter.

    It wasn't consistent storm force winds - rather those sorts of heavy gusts (maybe 25 to 30mph) that sweep in when a thunderstorm arrives. I find they can be more difficult for an umbrella to handle because they take you by surprise and can catch the underside of the brolly if you are not careful. It's a normal 8 rib black nylon Brigg with cherrywood shaft which I have had for about 6 years. It gets a LOT of use as I live in Brighton on the south coast and work in Brighton and London so it has seen its fair share of bad weather! Sorry to hear about your Brigg - how bad was the weather when the umbrella was damaged - I hope you were able to get it repaired...
     
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    That's a good price for a Brigg solid stick, assuming that they have all the top-of-the-line construction and materials. Are they branded with the shop's name and not labeled Brigg?


    Those posts were about two different types of umbrellas Brigg makes (the top-of-the-line gentleman's umbrella and the thin metal shafted. It just so happened that the ones I had available at the time for reference were bark ash solid stick and the thin metal shafted malacca. If they're both made to the top-of-the-line specs, I wouldn't say that the bark ash is an objectively better umbrella, although I haven't put them through a decade of wear and tear. It's mostly a matter of preference.


    Right. But my question is then, which are the "top of the line" umbrellas then? All solid sticks? Judging from your remark to entrero, it is not as simple as that.

    None of the websites I have seen, seem to mention any of the things on the "quality check list" that you posted. And again, on the official site, there is not that great price difference.

    I am sorry, if I am being difficult, I am just trying to figgure out exactly what is the best quality and worth buying and what is just a "brand name"...
     
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    Right. But my question is then, which are the "top of the line" umbrellas then? All solid sticks? Judging from your remark to entrero, it is not as simple as that.

    None of the websites I have seen, seem to mention any of the things on the "quality check list" that you posted. And again, on the official site, there is not that great price difference.

    I am sorry, if I am being difficult, I am just trying to figgure out exactly what is the best quality and worth buying and what is just a "brand name"...


    I'm not sure that Brigg do the metal shaft "tube" umbrellas (certainly not in their St James's shop but possibly they do in Papworth).

    I bought my current cherrywood Brigg to replace a metal tube Fox umbrella which blew out completely in a bad storm in Brighton. A couple of the ribs broke and whilst I was hanging on to the brolly and struggling to get it down, the gusts were still battering the underside of the cover. When I got the umbrella under control I discovered that the central metal shaft had also been badly bent by the experience, and that is what encouraged me to go for a solid wood shaft for my next purchase. Not sure if that answers your question but I hope it helps....
     

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