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The State of Black Tie: Your Observations

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mafoofan, Nov 22, 2011.

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  1. Snoogz

    Snoogz Senior member

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    That's a terrible tux. This kind of acceptance amongst society these days urks me beyond belief.
     
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    BackInTheJox Senior member

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    This essentially describes just about any thread on SF, and doubly so when it comes to this thread.
     
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    I do not think you understand the idea of what constitutes a formal invitation.


    LOL! I think you understand completely the idea of what constitutes an informal invitation.

    Not only will everyone know, no one is going home hungry from any event in your family.
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Ha I had to wear one of those for a wedding once. Terrible.
     
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    This is the dinner jacket we all need.

    The Tuxedo trailer
     
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    Closer to a modified Morning Suit, I would say...I think it might work in a daytime event for a middle class wedding...but it would look very weird in the evening.
     
  7. Spode

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    I frequently come into contact with a mens choir where they all wear black tie. However, last time I saw them only one out of eight was wearing it in a at least half decent way. The others had wing collars with the wings pointing in all sorts of direction, terrible black loafers, pre tied bow ties, the wrong sizes and whatnot. They all wear black tie frequently, probably at least once or twice a month. It saddens me so that they can't do it right. Their singing is great, but the entire preformance would be taken to a new level if only they knew how to wear black tie.

    (First post, yay me!)
     
  8. mafoofan

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    Yeah, that's what I would have thought. I'm not buying this whole thing that people, when in the "correct" circles, would know to wear black tie simply because an event is in the evening. At least, if such circles exist, they are so small as to be useless for instructive purposes here.

    Maybe I'm the wrong sort, but I would never wear black tie to an evening wedding without being told to. And I do think it would look incredibly odd if you were the only one outside the wedding party wearing a dinner suit. In fact, I think it would be construed as very rude. For the same reason, I would never wear a flower in my lapel to a wedding unless I was in the party.

    Yes, yes, I understand that back in some other time doing either would be the default, but the default has changed.


    I think it's a mixed bag. It really depends on who the conversation draws. In many threads, there is a strong reverse-snob-snobbery.


    I think you're an FNB poster who comes here every now and then to fuck with people. Maybe you should think for a moment about how sad that is.
     
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  9. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    It's an abortion.
     
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    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    In this day and age, at least in the US, the old codes about "formal" v. "semi" etc. are nothing more than historical curiosities. If you want people to dress a certain way, you have to tell them.

    I've been out of this game for almost ten years but as recently as the mid 2000s, an invite from a chancery or embassy of a European country or former British colony still used the old lingo. They would even say "lounge suit" rather that "buisiness attire."
     
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    Right, so they would still say what the expected attire was, right? Some people are saying it is rude to do so and it isn't done in Europe--which sounds ridiculous to me.
     
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    Of course! :bigstar:
     
  13. Manton

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    Only in the case of "lounge suit" as I recall. Anything else would be "formal" or "semi-formal." Though, we would get it translated by the social aides. So, they would say "when the Queen says formal she means white tie and tails." And then everybody came and asked me what to wear. :)
     
  14. mafoofan

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    I was including terms like "formal" and "semi-formal" under the heading of attire. You wouldn't be expected just to know to wear a tux and you wouldn't have gone off the fanciness of the invitation font . . .
     
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    I was a black tie preferred party last PM and more than 50% of the men showed up in tuxes. So all hope is not lost, yet. However, I did notice a number of notch lapel tuxes. . . :facepalm:
     
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    Everyone has a spin on it also, they rarely use it in the appropriate or literal sense which adds confusion even if they are technically specifying the attire on the invite. It suggests that it would not be at all incorrect in inquire with someone in the know for the event.
     
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    I will say, I have hope for the my generation and younger, they seem to prefer to be more formal.
     
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    Well, that is true. I went to one white tie state dinner and everyone was like "What the hell???" But because of the Gridiron and Alfalfa dinners in DC, which are white tie, a small amount of awareness hangs on.

    Now that I think of it, it's been almost ten years since I wore tails and I expect I never will again.
     
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    I bought a made to measure tuxedo from Armani a few years ago when I got married. I love the garment, but I have to admit I regret selecting a notch lapel. The salesman suggested the notch was perhaps more classic and timeless, and while the peak was also good option, "you can't go wrong with the notch". Not knowing any different, and being more familiar with the notch that's the way I went. I am lucky if I get to wear a tux at least once a year and I can't see myself replacing it, so I plan to rock my notch with pride.

    On an unrelated note, I'm curious what SF'rs think about the appropriateness of a formal fly front shirt where the buttons are hidden, as opposed to wearing studs.
     
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    I don't think I travel in particularly rarefied circles, and I can tell you that at many random NYC evening weddings I have been to, there are people in black tie and people who aren't, and that includes weddings where the invitation doesn't specify (which is pretty common). In fact, at the wedding where I was told NOT to wear black tie because I wasn't in the wedding party, there were people not in the wedding party who showed up in black tie.

    Certainly, you can get a sense from the venue how dressy an event it is likely to be.
     
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