***The official Alden thread *** Share enthusiasm, reviews, sizing, advice, and photos.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by jet, Nov 3, 2008.

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  1. sevenfoldtieguy

    sevenfoldtieguy Senior member

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    I too like the English makers.

    And, since you mentioned JL above, as but one example of a non-Alden shoe, I own a double monk dark brown calf John Lobb that is perhaps the finest double monk shoe I have ever seen. Moving on.

    This (bold) makes it hard to take you seriously. It really does. I have calf and shell shoes for formal settings. I easily prefer shell, but I have no problem if another prefers calf. If you prefer calf, fine - but to then say shell looks tacky/cheap makes you lose credibility, and appear almost silly.

    I have all the brands you speak of, though my total comes in around seven-fold of yours.
     


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    Welcome back Uncle. Nice combination as usual.
     


  3. violethour1951

    violethour1951 Senior member

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    I love my Aldens, but Vass' shell cordovan shoes can be quite comparable to, if not better than, Aldens. They tend to be more sleek as well. Take a look through the Vass thread.

    Vass saddle shell semi-brogue & ravello plain captoe:

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    Vass antique cognac shell semi-brogue:

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    Vass whiskey shell punch captoe:

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    all this talk of "sleek" shoes: do you guys that wear sleek shoes have super narrow feet or something? or do you just have a ton of extra (pointy) room at the end of the shoe, past your toes?
     


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    I never even thought of kudu or chamois longwings. Sadly Leffot's chamois preorder seems to be sold out in my size. Does anybody have any other options or stores that sell these shoes?
     


  6. sevenfoldtieguy

    sevenfoldtieguy Senior member

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    This (bold), as it relates to calf, has been true in my experience (assuming we are talking about JL, EG, C&J, ...). And I have been heard to say more than once that I have had QC issues with Alden (shell or calf).
     


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    I don't doubt that Vass cordovan shoes are at least comparable and likely better than Alden (I haven't tried them on, though). However, Vass retails for $1200+, right? I can get a rare-cordovan Alden balmoral shoe for $740. Edward Green also makes better cordovan shoes than Alden, but they cost more than twice as much (I see cordovan shell wingtip bluchers selling for $1,600 at Leffot and Leather Soul). It's not really fair to compare Edward Green, Vass cordovan to Alden - it's almost the same thing as comparing Kiton, Oxxford, whatever to Brooks Brothers for suits. At the current price point, the only comparable cordovan shoes I see on the market are Carmina (which is really a different aesthetic) and Crockett and Jones (which we all know and love)

    Edit - we haven't mentioned leathers like suede, chromexcel, etc.
     
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    grendel Senior member

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    No, I think you can get the Vass for around the same price, it's just more of a hassle. You can get calf Vass MTO proxied for $650 I've heard.
     


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    Hmm. Ok - I stand corrected. I'll look into it
     


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    Alcibiades Senior member

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    It's just that the last chisels more from the widest point of the shoe to the toe, giving a sleeker appearance. I should post a comparison photo of my Rider balmoral boots with one of my Aldens for a comparison...
     


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    Vass shell baseline is going for about[FONT=verdana, tahoma, arial, sans-serif] [/FONT]€550 = ~700USD, according to a recent post... very comparable to Aldens.
     


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    I will not dispute that there are likely better constructed shoes than Alden but Alden falls right at about the limit for what I am willing to spend for footwear, and, more importantly, I like the chunkiness of most of the Alden lasts - it fits well with my personal style (my go-to English shoemaker is generally Tricker's, which I find often has a similar aesthetic in terms of shape).

    Regarding shiny shoes looking cheap and tacky and not appropriate for a formal setting, I feel the exact opposite of you and I think tradition and conventional wisdom probably feel differently than you as well. Just look at formal opera slippers/pumps, patent leather, or formal shoes for military dress - always shiny. I'm not saying that calfskin is inappropriate or that cordovan is, just that shiny shoes are not inappropriate, tacky, or inelegant by any stretch. The degree of shininess can vary, but they should still have a definite shine to them.

    That's just my 2¢
     
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    Alden does sleeker dress shoes just fine, IMO:

    911's today

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  15. MarioImpemba

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    I mirror,or "bull", the toe-end of all my calf shoes. I feel the shine lends itself to formality as it not only represents an investment in time and care, but parallels the aforementioned orthodox formal footwear such as opera pumps and patent leather. I guess I missed the memo where this is really just turning them tacky. Shell is just that much better because the entire shoe retains some degree of shine with minimal investment.
     


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