glenjay
Senior Member
- Joined
- Feb 13, 2009
- Messages
- 748
- Reaction score
- 199
Thanks chogall, I think I now understand.
To be a brogue style shoe at all, a shoe needs to have broguing in other areas than just the toe cap. A punchcap simply has broguing on the toe cap seam.
Quarter Brogue:
Punchcap:
So if I understand right, all quarter brogues are punchcaps, but not all punchcaps are quarter brogues. Does that sound correct?
According to John Lobb St James black/white catalogue from 1939, both punch cap and stitch cap are considered plain oxfords. There's no quarter brogue in their catalogue. And JL "invented" the semi-brogue.
According to Manton, quarter brogues includes additional broguings along the vamp outside of the punched cap. But in Men's Ex, sometimes they do classify some punch caps as quarter brogues. And there's always JL Phillips II that rests between punch cap and quarter brogue.
Thanks chogall, I think I now understand.
To be a brogue style shoe at all, a shoe needs to have broguing in other areas than just the toe cap. A punchcap simply has broguing on the toe cap seam.
Quarter Brogue:
Punchcap:
So if I understand right, all quarter brogues are punchcaps, but not all punchcaps are quarter brogues. Does that sound correct?