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Shoe Damage Report & Shoe P0rn Central - Part II

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Oyaji, Feb 20, 2010.

  1. pkincy

    pkincy Senior member

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    Very interesting. Bontoni (at Wilkes Bashford) told me that Kiton copied their design although I always expected it was the other way around. Here is the Bontoni.

    The Kiton is identical.

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  2. chogall

    chogall Senior member

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    That's why I am curious; the blake stitching seems likely go through some part of inseaming while pegged waist, at least by SC, have wooden pegs barely touching the insole.

    How is Bestetti handling all the volume? He got several people working for him at his workshop?
     
  3. j ingevaldsson

    j ingevaldsson Senior member

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    He only has two working for him, and he is struggling a lot to keep up with orders and e-mails. He has grown too much too fast I guess. So those who order from him have to have patience, you will get responses to your e-mail and you will get your shoes (which will be great), but it will take time.
     
  4. europrep

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    They do look identical. Unfortunately I don't have an answer for you. I know AM no longer works with Kiton
     
  5. OzzyJones

    OzzyJones Senior member

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    Euro, them's some pretty shooz!
     
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  6. j ingevaldsson

    j ingevaldsson Senior member

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    ^^^ According to Antonio he was first. It's a lovely model, no wonder Bontoni (if they now did) and also Magnanni has copied it. I actually did a version myself with the Italian/Swedish brand Italigente, some tweaks like a different medallion but Antonio's version (which I own myself) was the model for it:

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  7. T4phage

    T4phage Senior member

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    funny..
    bontoni needs to
    stop sniffing shoe glue

    meccariello started
    kiton's shoe workshop
    before bontoni existed

    there are a few other
    models that bontoni
    has copied
    including
    what i think
    is the iconic
    kiton shoe
    so beloved by member
    @thracozaag :

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    and at sartorialist


    teh bontoni that i saw
    in pauwmannen was liek
    this:
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    another pix
     
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  8. RIDER

    RIDER Senior member

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    Actually, these perfed wholecut patterns go back a long time.....here is from the Romano Martegani archives - 1980's.

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    This is when a line builder named Bruno ???? (just can't remember the last name...want to say Paciotti but can't recall exactly) was doing Romano's lines. He was more known for creating platform shoes in the 70's, and then at the end of his career built Santoni's line before he took his pension. He was pretty important in the business though...he would still show up at the MICAM shows each season and walk around - and all the factory owners pretty much stopped whatever they were doing when he did, to say hello.

    Anyway, this pattern goes way back.
     
  9. VRaivio

    VRaivio Senior member

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    All this raises just one question: how many shoe models or styles are truly unique, never before created by some humble shoemaker around the world?

    Well, thanks to lasts, details, leather types, and colours, we have an infinite range of combinations for shodding the feet. Shoes are simply great.
     
  10. j ingevaldsson

    j ingevaldsson Senior member

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    Interesting to see those pics Ron! The first one definitely is very similar to Meccariellos version, just a different medallion and seams along the punching.
     
  11. eljimberino

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  12. Jazzmenco

    Jazzmenco Senior member

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    I found these Santoni's on eBay. Excellent price and condition.
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  13. isshinryu101

    isshinryu101 Senior member

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    I love the Santoni Norvegese. In honesty, it is every bit as well done as the Lattanzi models and superior to Sutor, Stefanobi and many of the other usual norv/ bentivegna suspects.
     
  14. Jazzmenco

    Jazzmenco Senior member

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    I had the same exact opinion when these arrived. I recently copped some Lattanzis and found the Santoni work to be very comparable.
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  15. Ironist

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    Anyone size 6E UK or 6F UK? Don't even want to open pandora's box. Too much damage.

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  16. OzzyJones

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    Wow wish I was coming home to that[​IMG]
     
  18. Zapasman

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    I like them a lot shoes Jazz.Congrats.

    From pics it seems they are really elongated from the ball. Do they fit you well?
     
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  19. Jazzmenco

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    I wouldn't say well... but well enough [​IMG] A little tight on the toes. Remember that famous Fernando Lamas quote, "It is much better to look good than to feel good. [​IMG]"
     
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  20. MasonAndSmith

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    [​IMG]

    My patina on a pair of Gaziano and Girling; left before, right after.
     

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