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I still don't get the whole "birthright" claim that Dany has to the throne. Last I remember, her whole family was killed and specifically deposed from the throne. How does she still get to claim birthright? Her family had only ruled for like 300 years.

So I agree with your first statement. Dany's claim to the throne should be the same as anyone else's--she would get it simply because she killed enough people to convince everyone else that they should let her be queen.
I dunno about that--Robert is referred to as the usurper. That word implies illegality or illegitimacy. If you believe in bloodlines/birthright, then that trumps anything else. We are also given to believe that many in westeros agree with this--they wanted to go about their lives so they accepted Robert's rule, but they would support a true targ monarch.

The targs united the 7 kingdoms, so if you are going to go with bloodline stuff, I suppose you can make an argument that 300 years doesn't matter as they essentially created a new throne. There was no one else before them.

Robert failed to end the bloodline, so the claim must still exist (that's why he was so dedicated to making sure they were all gone even if they were just babies).
 

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Lulz @ cross thread butt hurt for Hutriggered. Go shit post in your thread for shitposting.
 

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I dunno about that--Robert is referred to as the usurper. That word implies illegality or illegitimacy. If you believe in bloodlines/birthright, then that trumps anything else. We are also given to believe that many in westeros agree with this--they wanted to go about their lives so they accepted Robert's rule, but they would support a true targ monarch.

The targs united the 7 kingdoms, so if you are going to go with bloodline stuff, I suppose you can make an argument that 300 years doesn't matter as they essentially created a new throne. There was no one else before them.

Robert failed to end the bloodline, so the claim must still exist (that's why he was so dedicated to making sure they were all gone even if they were just babies).
And that's why Ned Stark, for all his glorious honour, lived a lie and endured nearly two decades of his wife being a shrew.
 

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I dunno about that--Robert is referred to as the usurper. That word implies illegality or illegitimacy. If you believe in bloodlines/birthright, then that trumps anything else. We are also given to believe that many in westeros agree with this--they wanted to go about their lives so they accepted Robert's rule, but they would support a true targ monarch.

The targs united the 7 kingdoms, so if you are going to go with bloodline stuff, I suppose you can make an argument that 300 years doesn't matter as they essentially created a new throne. There was no one else before them.

Robert failed to end the bloodline, so the claim must still exist (that's why he was so dedicated to making sure they were all gone even if they were just babies).
All great points. I just have to wonder at how much the average joe (or noble, since the real average joes don't really matter) would be willing to throw down and fight for a Dany vs. Jon bloodline matchup.

And now, having typed that, I start to wonder about how many people's opinions actually matter in Westeros. Since we're talking the great houses and their bannermen, that number is probably in the (low) dozens, if that. So maybe if, say, a dozen people (if they're the right people) still believe in the Targaryen right to rule, that's enough.
 

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What was the weapon Arya wanted Gendry to make? My guess is some sort of walking cain sword, or something else. It's definitely something, that I'm certain of.
 

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What was the weapon Arya wanted Gendry to make? My guess is some sort of walking cain sword, or something else. It's definitely something, that I'm certain of.
looks like short sword with obsidian point to me, or maybe staff with obsidian point
 

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I'm a bit fuzzy about what Gendry was making during the forging scene---was he supposed to be making arrowheads by melting obsidian? Because I don't think it works that way.

Otherwise, what else would they do with arrow heads? Don't think they work very well against zombies.
 

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From one of the shows writers:

"We've all read the books countless times so we all have a pretty thorough working knowledge of them. That said, we sometimes have to alter book lore a bit to fit the demands of the show. For example, changing Asha Greyjoy's name to Yara and that dragonglass also kills wights, as we saw in 605."
 

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I'm a bit fuzzy about what Gendry was making during the forging scene---was he supposed to be making arrowheads by melting obsidian? Because I don't think it works that way.

Otherwise, what else would they do with arrow heads? Don't think they work very well against zombies.
There's dragons, resurrecting people, flame swords, etc. Don't overthink it.
 

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It has been said that dragons have no sex but like some lizards and fish will assume and/or change sex when need be. Once Jon bonds with Rhaegal, it will make him turn male while Viserion will turn female. Daenarys will get preggo and Viserion will lay eggs

Sidenote: Where is Ghost?
 

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In the books, iron killed the wights and White Walkers, so maybe Gendry's just making black iron weapons, rather than steel.
 

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A stone spearhead with a tang---that's a new one.
 

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